Walker570 Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 Pity you cannot make or have made a ring to fit in the primer station just the depth you need to push those high brass off. Looks like you only need about 1/8th inch. It may mean you have to do two operations, prime, lift out, insert depth ring and then push the resizer off. The Lee Load All is an American machine and I cannot see the Americans not reloading high brass. I would have a look around for a suitable sized piece of pipe and cut and 1/8th inch piece off. Worth a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberisle Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) The Lee will handle high brass shells, you will see a modification in this video Edited January 2, 2019 by aberisle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 2, 2019 Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 errrrr?? Yes, but he still didn't show getting the resizer ring off, to do that it would require a small 1/8th inch or thereabouts extension to the primer plate to give the case that extra push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted January 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 51 minutes ago, Walker570 said: Pity you cannot make or have made a ring to fit in the primer station just the depth you need to push those high brass off. Looks like you only need about 1/8th inch. It may mean you have to do two operations, prime, lift out, insert depth ring and then push the resizer off. The Lee Load All is an American machine and I cannot see the Americans not reloading high brass. I would have a look around for a suitable sized piece of pipe and cut and 1/8th inch piece off. Worth a try. It’s a shame they don’t work it seems other than the RC cartridges the Winchester have the best “crimp memory “ . Iv been doing a few here and there tonight and have just got through the last of the de priming . I will have another look at the Winchester’s now and see if I can fathom something out SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted January 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) So this is the reason it doesn’t work on “high brass” it doesn’t decompress the cartridge down enough before the bottom of the cartridge hits this silver pin that seats the primer ... I guess the only way round this would be to cut maybe 3 mm off this ? ... me personally I won’t be doing this but a engineer could knock a slightly shorted on of these up in a few minutes then I think that would be problem solved as the cartridge would depress further =. “ resizing ring” pops off 👍😃?? **** that’s my theory. anyway Edited January 2, 2019 by secret-squirrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diss4111 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 All you need to pop the sizing ring off is a suitable open ended spanner, I think it is a 22mm one you need. Slide it between the ring and the base and off it comes. Good luck with the reloading, its addictive when you get into it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) I started with a mec 9000 progressive 2 years later splashed out and bought a ponsness warren 800 best move i could have made.. we make all our own shot most of the time get the lead free from a mate who has his own roofing business .. So easy to knock out a 100 cart's in about 20 minutes then a quick wiz in the drill to round the ends off and make them easier to use in the semi auto if needed... If you had been a bit closer you would be welcome to see the PW in action.. Edited January 3, 2019 by hawkeye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 Had a use of a Ponsness Warren 375 back in the 70s when I was shooting a LOT of shells every month with the force clay team. A Rolls Royce of reloaders for sure. Saved a lot of pennies on practise rounds. It was owned by the Force Sports Club and we had it set up in a small unused room in one of our outlying stations. Not a huge job to turn one of those bits up on the lathe, I'm only down 5 mins from Jnc 11 A444/A42/M42 if you fancy a run out one morning. Still think a 'ring' would do the same job. Could try both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) I also started reloading in the seventies with a 12 gauge Lee Loadall, then due to the cost of reloading overtaking the cost of factory shells, I stopped reloading for a few years......I then bought a MEC progressive machine which I never got on with, when non tox shot became mandatory for fowling I bought a single stage MEC Steelmaster...had that for a while, but moved on to a P&W 375.....a superb bit of kit, with the correct bits will resize any depth of brass, load any type of shot in any length of case, and taper the crimp, the finished shell is as near factory as you will get....a Gaep spinner, though not really neccesary, finishes the job! Perfect! I'm sure the "peg" pictured above, was fixed in the primer station on the Lee Loadall I had? Edited January 3, 2019 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketestace Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 Who gives a rats *** what reloader we all own ! The lad has a lee loadall, a Very capable machine indeed, so how about we all try and get behind him and cover basic operations needed to get him on his way ? Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 Loadall is a great start. Shells never remember what they were loaded on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 Scrap the tall base cases more trouble than thay are worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K85 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 Im also looking to start reloading. Ive been making my own shot in the summer. Until i ran out of antimony. The shot making is fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 3, 2019 Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, biketestace said: Who gives a rats *** what reloader we all own ! The lad has a lee loadall, a Very capable machine indeed, so how about we all try and get behind him and cover basic operations needed to get him on his way ? Paul That has already been covered?...........combined with the instructions provided with the machine and the advice given in this thread, once the OP has acquired the recipe and relevant components he should be able to start reloading! Some might not give a rats **** but others may be interested? Or you have been appointed to speak for everyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secret-squirrel Posted January 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2019 6 hours ago, Walker570 said: Had a use of a Ponsness Warren 375 back in the 70s when I was shooting a LOT of shells every month with the force clay team. A Rolls Royce of reloaders for sure. Saved a lot of pennies on practise rounds. It was owned by the Force Sports Club and we had it set up in a small unused room in one of our outlying stations. Not a huge job to turn one of those bits up on the lathe, I'm only down 5 mins from Jnc 11 A444/A42/M42 if you fancy a run out one morning. Still think a 'ring' would do the same job. Could try both. I used to go greenlaning around Ashby and around old old quarry I think is it near farmtown? I might take you up on that offer one day 👍 2 hours ago, biketestace said: Who gives a rats *** what reloader we all own ! The lad has a lee loadall, a Very capable machine indeed, so how about we all try and get behind him and cover basic operations needed to get him on his way ? Paul I’m feeling pretty confident about it all now just need to keep picking up empties and more important find the time to meet up watch how it’s done then get a shopping list and buy the rest of the ingredients 👍 cheers Ss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diss4111 Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 I started with a Load all then bought another, I sold one and bought a MEC 500Jr. I still prefer the load all. The one I have is for 67mm shells but loads 70mm superbly. My advice is to cut 2mm off the final crimp tube so it crimps a little deeper. Also cut off the 8 point crimp starter tube which is at the front, it gets in the way. Also if you always ensure the line of the old crimp is directly facing you when you start the crimp them you will get a much better crimp. Definitely use FES for your components unless you are lucky enough to have a RFD locally who stocks them. I have as there is several people in my area who reload so he stocks the basics. He is cheaper on powder and primers but a little dearer on wads so i use FES for those. If you are looking to load 28 gram then use CSB5, my recipe is 70mm Case, Fiocchi 615 primer, 23 grains CSB5, 4mm over powder card, 21mm fibre wad, 28 grams lead shot (6 for game and 7.5's for clays) 6 point crimp closure. It works well for everything I shoot except wildfowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 I used to glue a sixpence in the final crimp tube it saves cutting anything of and put a nice finish an cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biketestace Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 10 hours ago, panoma1 said: That has already been covered?...........combined with the instructions provided with the machine and the advice given in this thread, once the OP has acquired the recipe and relevant components he should be able to start reloading! Some might not give a rats **** but others may be interested? Or you have been appointed to speak for everyone? Not at all ! But surely a new discussion should be started regarding who owns what, and the benefits of each machine ? Some of the more exotic brands are complicated to set up etc but the Lee is a great starting point to gain the confidence needed. When you have just received a new reloader as a Christmas gift, the last thing anybody wants to hear is how brilliant all the others are ! My point is we all help him onwards and upwards with the Lee, and if in the future he wants to change then the new discussion will be to his ( and others ) benefit. Im really disappointed to read your quote regarding me speaking for everyone, Happy new year Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 42 minutes ago, biketestace said: Not at all ! But surely a new discussion should be started regarding who owns what, and the benefits of each machine ? Some of the more exotic brands are complicated to set up etc but the Lee is a great starting point to gain the confidence needed. When you have just received a new reloader as a Christmas gift, the last thing anybody wants to hear is how brilliant all the others are ! My point is we all help him onwards and upwards with the Lee, and if in the future he wants to change then the new discussion will be to his ( and others ) benefit. Im really disappointed to read your quote regarding me speaking for everyone, Happy new year Paul I'm sorry you felt disappointed, but my reply was in response to your comment "who gives a rats ***" about something others, including myself posted! Which I found a little insulting! I thought the purpose of these fora was, amongst other purposes, to pass on information and experience? After posting what I thought were helpful comments to the OP's initial request for help, I posted my own experience of reloading and how my interest over many years, and whatever expertise I may have developed over the years (including my opinion of various machines) reached the point it is now......it may be that you are not interested, but equally, there may be the odd one or two that are? Lol! Happy new year to you too! Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 I have a leeloadall 2 I think it works brilliantly for the money and is best on once fired carts. I bought a bench drill and a OMV mini press from Italy. I use the load all for everything upto the crimp then I move to the OMV to crimp and spin the new cartridge cases. The once fired I do the crimp on the load all and just spin them to increase the taper for cycling in the auto. It takes longer to use Lee Loadall than progressive machines but costs a fraction and is easy to store on a shelf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberisle Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 Another benefit with the Loadall is you can change from 12 to 16 or 20 bore quite cheaply, i have also managed to convert my 12 bore one over to 10 bore and it does a good job on the 10's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 i have a mec 9000 and a sizemaster. while the lee is a basic model, it can still produce stunning ammunition. what i would advise is to grab another reloader guy locally. i would severely suggest a 1-1 reloading and learning, just get some components for some boringly average shells. aka 1oz lead, csb5, a decent maybe tall wad. 25-27mm.. 70mm hulls. use a scale for validation. i just dont bother much anymore. i lost the buzz. but its pretty stunning what you can do with some dedication and some data. my next projects should have been running the hell out of csb5 and tweeking hevi **** 36g load and doing a lead / steel / hw18 load. but i just slowed and stopped. i had to book off a week for the last project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 Come on cook we been waiting for you to get up with your new loads. We like the development and trials and tribulations of your project loads. The op can make some on his new Loadall 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenholland Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 32 minutes ago, figgy said: Come on cook we been waiting for you to get up with your new loads. We like the development and trials and tribulations of your project loads. The op can make some on his new Loadall 2 yep we are all waiting cooky , for them results , get experimenting , thank's figgy for reminding me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 I just lost enthusiasm. I love developing stuff. Its not even time or money. Work is a pain and its getting worse. I had a huge list to do but just stalled cos i cant be bothered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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