farmboy Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Anyone on pw annoyed by this? Shambo saved Personally, I can't believe they have made such a stupid ruling. The animal has TB, it is a serious health risk to other animals in the area and possibly humans. We had a cow slaughtered in the summer due to TB and rightly so. The disease is destroying the beef industry in certain parts of the country. How are we supposed to fight the disease if they allow certain animals to avoid slaughter? As far as I know, there is no treatment approved in the UK. Unless the ruling is overturned and the Bull does indeed have TB, it is going to suffer a horrible death. If it were on a farm, I suspect the RSPCA would be calling for a prosecution. Not a single mention on their web site. This is a real kick inthe guts for us. We have lost a single cow and admittedly it hasn't made a major impact on us yet. Hopefully it will stay that way. Other farmers in this area are losing far more, often generations of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 problem is ,you need your cows to make money,they need theirs cos it symbolic?? religon and culture for you init. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loopy bunny blaster Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 in my experience, better to lose on cow, than the whole herd a farmer near us had all his cows killed because he hadn't done anything about tb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmboy Posted July 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 in my experience, better to lose on cow, than the whole herd Fair point. The one we lost was originally an inconclusive from the test. We isolated it right away. Two more tests on her were also inconclusive so she was destroyed. They had to look at her lungs to confirm it. They were full of lesions. It came as a bit of a shock as she looked to be in very good condition. In our last heard test we had a few more inconclusives so we will soon be having our third full heard test this year soon. Loads of farms around here are losing their heards. Last year my uncles neighbour lost 18 cows in one go due to tb. The sad thing is it has been a closed heard for over 10 years now. No prises for guessing where the tb came from Personally, I think its unfair to keep a dying animal alive (cows with tb are dying). If you had a dog riddled with cancer, or a rabbit with myxy it would be put down for its own welfare. If it is going to stay alive, I hope they keep the webcast going. It may give some people a wake up call about the disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSA Shaun Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 kill it and the followers can join him in moo moo heaven My best friend and landowner of 1 permission is a dairy farmer and it sickens me too, if it had been any of his herd no question it would be dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Why do farmers not vaccinate? Is it cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyjaimz Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 As far as I know, there is no treatment approved in the UK. Apparantly they cant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootingman Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 I think some of you are missing the point, this has nothing to do with TB or cost of vaccinations to the farmers or even lose of stock/income to farmers, this is all down to going cap in hand & not upsetting Muslims. If any other religion/faith in this country held any animal as a sacred icon & it was a threat to health regulations (be it man,beast or enviroment) it would automatically be destroyed. I am by no means a racists, but fool yourselves not, this is all about political correctness **** to the Muslim faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decroyffe Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 I think some of you are missing the point, this has nothing to do with TB or cost of vaccinations to the farmers or even lose of stock/income to farmers, this is all down to going cap in hand & not upsetting Muslims. If any other religion/faith in this country held any animal as a sacred icon & it was a threat to health regulations (be it man,beast or enviroment) it would automatically be destroyed. I am by no means a racists, but fool yourselves not, this is all about political correctness **** to the Muslim faith. i thought the same when i first heard of this a few month since. Why they have to cause such a fuss is beyond me, fact is, times up, it happens to the best of them. One inidivdual was interview and commented that followers from around the world would form a human chain, and fight (physical) to protect the beast. get a job you set of bums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 ahem, I think they're hindus I agree though, if it was a C of E bull it would have been given the bullet by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 sell it to mcdonalds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul in North Lincs. Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 .....................can this be transmitted to humans? - - - - - - - -excuse my ignorance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootingman Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 ahem, I think they're hindus I agree though, if it was a C of E bull it would have been given the bullet by now. Muslim's,Sheik's,Hindu's their all the same, won't live by our rules in our country, want their own rules/beliefs etc., but our state benefits, put nothing into the system- take out as much as possible. Same with the eastern europeans, this country has becaome the garbage bin of the world, & in our own country we the British are at the bottom of that bin, covered with the worlds trash. Right , thats my rant over, just fell off my soap box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 They had the spokesman for the Hindu temple on Nick Ferrari's (LBC radio) about a month ago. Nick Ferrari was giving it the usual stir and taking the "slaughter the cow line" but the Hindu chap was very peaceful, calm and came accross as a very nice chap. Apparently the sacred cow (p.s. why is it whenever I hear "sacred cow" I always think of Kenneth Williams talking about Lady Rough-diamond in Carry on up the Khyber.... I digress) lives a charmed life and will now live a charmed life in splendid sacred cow isolation (some sort of sacred cow oxygen tent perhaps) attended 24/7 by sacred cow vets. The hindus are prepared to throw whatever it takes in terms of money at saving the cow's life and preserving the health position. Frankly, they have my support. Any peaceful religion wishing to conduct themselves in the UK and pay their stamp gets my vote. Tatically, I think it is good that we show tolerance and understanding of another culture's "peaceful" religious activities no matter how potty it may seem or how much we like a beefburger. The religion in question is of course not one of those intent on blowing up our public and private transportation systems and drinking establishments. On the other hand, were it say a successful legal challenge against a refusal to set up a new radical mosque in greenbelt then they could kiss my fat bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Frankly, they have my support. Any peaceful religion wishing to conduct themselves in the UK and pay their stamp gets my vote. Tatically, I think it is good that we show tolerance and understanding of another culture's "peaceful" religious activities no matter how potty it may seem or how much we like a beefburger. The religion in question is of course not one of those intent on blowing up our public and private transportation systems and drinking establishments. Well said Mungler, get off your soap box Shooting Man - they're not all the same...such a generalisation is like saying all white males are the same, whether we're mass murders or vicars! :look: I wouldn't be surprised if we're not getting the full story here, I expect the media are playing this up big time. I also wouldn't be surprised if what is ACTUALLY happening is that they are getting second opinons, further tests, paying for private treatment/scans etc before jumping to any conclusions...especially from what the spokesman said. I hate the media, even the BBC - most 'stories' are just that 'stories'! One thing rules - ratings - sod the news, what's the angle and the 'story'...forget the facts, in this day and age you need to have some common sense and read between the lines to get the truth. In conclusion I say that I would trust a judge's ruling as more appropriate than the media's 'story'...that goes for the BBC too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurcherboy Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 They had the spokesman for the Hindu temple on Nick Ferrari's (LBC radio) about a month ago. Nick Ferrari was giving it the usual stir and taking the "slaughter the cow line" but the Hindu chap was very peaceful, calm and came accross as a very nice chap. Apparently the sacred cow (p.s. why is it whenever I hear "sacred cow" I always think of Kenneth Williams talking about Lady Rough-diamond in Carry on up the Khyber.... I digress) lives a charmed life and will now live a charmed life in splendid sacred cow isolation (some sort of sacred cow oxygen tent perhaps) attended 24/7 by sacred cow vets. The hindus are prepared to throw whatever it takes in terms of money at saving the cow's life and preserving the health position. Frankly, they have my support. Any peaceful religion wishing to conduct themselves in the UK and pay their stamp gets my vote. Tatically, I think it is good that we show tolerance and understanding of another culture's "peaceful" religious activities no matter how potty it may seem or how much we like a beefburger. The religion in question is of course not one of those intent on blowing up our public and private transportation systems and drinking establishments. On the other hand, were it say a successful legal challenge against a refusal to set up a new radical mosque in greenbelt then they could kiss my fat bottom. They are so far away from the kind of people that you are referring to shootingman that I am embarrassed after reading your reply. LB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 I wouldn't be surprised if we're not getting the full story here, I expect the media are playing this up big time. I also wouldn't be surprised if what is ACTUALLY happening is that they are getting second opinons, further tests, paying for private treatment/scans etc before jumping to any conclusions...especially from what the spokesman said. Feeling smug now ...looks like the Bull goes for the chop shortly!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Link to their website: CLICK HERE Quote from their website: We could no more allow the slaughter of Shambo than we could the killing of a human being. Ultimately we would be willing to defend his life with our own. We shall see... FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 They have said that they will put up a peaceful protest (they are Hindu's, they aren't exactly going to fight now are they!?! )...which appears to be working quite well at present!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6916077.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john faul Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 They have said that they will put up a peaceful protest (they are Hindu's, they aren't exactly going to fight now are they!?! )...which appears to be working quite well at present!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/6916077.stm its better to get rid of one cow with tb than have to get rid of the whole heard with brucellosis!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Hmm, Mungler gets my vote on this one, Whatever the vets decide this unfortunate animal has got /or carrying , how is it going to pass it on to to our bovine herds?no you must wonder would this action be carried out if it was a sacred animal to the Muslim followers? ? dont think so, sad indictment of our new laws for one religeous group against the rest of us!! sorry for the bull, the Hindu population, the Sihks, the Christians, and all other religeous followers in Britain today who can see what is happening. another sad day for all of us.! ! Will the last one leaving our country turn the light out please? yes you have got it it, I am p-----d again.(sorry guys). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Monks from the multi-faith Skanda Vale community in Carmarthenshire appealed against an assembly government ruling that the animal must be put down. Their lawyers argued it would breach the Human Rights Convention. and I thought it was a cow whoever came up with the human rights convention never thought it would be turned to save a cow with TB what about the rights of others who dont have TB but may get infected as a result? as per norm its all bollix and clap trap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno 357 Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 No long now. The warrant has been issued and shambo madras will soon be served up in every take away jonno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starlight32 Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 They had the spokesman for the Hindu temple on Nick Ferrari's (LBC radio) about a month ago. Nick Ferrari was giving it the usual stir and taking the "slaughter the cow line" but the Hindu chap was very peaceful, calm and came accross as a very nice chap. Apparently the sacred cow (p.s. why is it whenever I hear "sacred cow" I always think of Kenneth Williams talking about Lady Rough-diamond in Carry on up the Khyber.... I digress) lives a charmed life and will now live a charmed life in splendid sacred cow isolation (some sort of sacred cow oxygen tent perhaps) attended 24/7 by sacred cow vets. The hindus are prepared to throw whatever it takes in terms of money at saving the cow's life and preserving the health position. Frankly, they have my support. Any peaceful religion wishing to conduct themselves in the UK and pay their stamp gets my vote. Tatically, I think it is good that we show tolerance and understanding of another culture's "peaceful" religious activities no matter how potty it may seem or how much we like a beefburger. The religion in question is of course not one of those intent on blowing up our public and private transportation systems and drinking establishments. On the other hand, were it say a successful legal challenge against a refusal to set up a new radical mosque in greenbelt then they could kiss my fat bottom. Just out of curiosity- you mentioned these monks pay their own stamp. What is the going hourly rate for monks these days? The overtime must be good too- All that midnight mass and so on I will do some research and post later on............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Just out of curiosity- you mentioned these monks pay their own stamp. What is the going hourly rate for monks these days? The overtime must be good too- All that midnight mass and so on :o :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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