hodge911 Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 This is the email I have just received from NE to the complaint I sent in regarding the way they handled and the short notice given to the licences been revoked www.gov.uk/natural-england Date: 30 th April 2019 Natural England County Hall Spetchley Road Worcester WR5 2NP Dear Complainant Complaint in respect of general licences GL04, 05 and 06 I am writing with regard to your formal complaint about Natural England’s approach to the changes it has had to make to general licences GL04, 05 and 06. Natural England operates a three stage complaints procedure but in view of the seriousness of the issue and the number of similar complaints we have received we escalated your complaint directly to our Chief Executive as a Stage 3 complaint. Our Chief Executive has responded via a piece on .gov.uk explaining our position on General licences and the next steps. https://naturalengland.blog.gov.uk/2019/04/25/general-licences-and-the-next-steps/ We are continuing to work to address the issues arising from the changes we had to make but because our Chief Executive has considered your complaint at stage 3 this is now our final response. If you are dissatisfied with the outcome of our investigation then should you wish to you can now go through your MP to put your complaint to the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman to consider. See https://www.ombudsman.org.uk/ The page on the Ombudsman's website that is linked below gives a helpline number which you can call if you have any questions on the process or requirements at this stage. It also provides a link where you can check who your MP is should you need to. https://www.ombudsman.org.uk/making-complaint The helpline number is 0345 0154 033. Yours sincerely Mike Smith www.gov.uk/natural-england Manager for Operations Delivery Natural England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 I received exactly the same this afternoon. An utterly pointless exercise as they have absolutely no intention of investigating and explaining where they went wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 Same. I do think it was beneficial that we did write to complain as they acknowledge the volume of complaints receive. But of course in itself it has not achieved anything, as they have closed the case on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 Me too! Their response is like all their "consultation"......empty, meaningless prevarication! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodge911 Posted May 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 I agree that they will probably do nothing but I felt I had to complain . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miserableolgit Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 Snap, as I posted in the changes to the GL thread Quote www.gov.uk/natural-england Date: 30th April 2019 Natural England County Hall Spetchley Road Worcester WR5 2NP Dear Complainant Complaint in respect of general licences GL04, 05 and 06 I am writing with regard to your formal complaint about Natural England’s approach to the changes it has had to make to general licences GL04, 05 and 06. Natural England operates a three stage complaints procedure but in view of the seriousness of the issue and the number of similar complaints we have received we escalated your complaint directly to our Chief Executive as a Stage 3 complaint. Our Chief Executive has responded via a piece on .gov.uk explaining our position on General licences and the next steps.https://naturalengland.blog.gov.uk/2019/04/25/general-licences-and-the-next-steps/ We are continuing to work to address the issues arising from the changes we had to make but because our Chief Executive has considered your complaint at stage 3 this is now our final response. If you are dissatisfied with the outcome of our investigation then should you wish to you can now go through your MP to put your complaint to the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman to consider. See https://www.ombudsman.org.uk/ The page on the Ombudsman's website that is linked below gives a helpline number which you can call if you have any questions on the process or requirements at this stage. It also provides a link where you can check who your MP is should you need to.https://www.ombudsman.org.uk/making-complaint The helpline number is 0345 0154 033. Yours sincerely Mike Smith www.gov.uk/natural-england Manager for Operations Delivery Natural England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapid .25 Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 I also got the same reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 Generic letter😡.........NE haven't even got the courtesy to respond to the complainant by name! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miserableolgit Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 Then a mass refusal to accept would seem to be the way ahead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 what a load of old tosh....mindless cretins... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbranthwaite Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 Same as the one I received, more worrying is the picture of gove and packham both holding "people wildlife manifesto" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ditchman said: what a load of old tosh....mindless cretins... Might well be , but it only took the man above and a couple of others to bypass all the main shooting organizations and put us in the position we are now in with no end in sight . Edited May 1, 2019 by marsh man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaduflyer Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 I got same reply they are a bunch of xxxk wits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted May 3, 2019 Report Share Posted May 3, 2019 I got the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gladrag Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 I think we are all reeling in shock at the way this has been sprung upon us. We are all responding in exactly the same way by stating the obvious facts about the crop damage , risk to the vulnerable nests of this current breeding season. We are trying to appeal to anyone who will listen by using the argument that our contribution in predator and vermin control is vital to the countryside and wildlife. We seem to be forgetting that Packham and his cronies are not bothered too much about the natural predation of wildlife or crop protection. Their main objective is the abolition of Shooting live quarry of any type for sport. I watched an interview where Piers Morgan laid out some reasonable questions regarding the present ban and the effect it would have on farming and breeding birds. Packham was quite disingenuous in his response, stating that it was not intended to prevent farmers from protecting their crops and he even acknowledged that some predator species needed to be controlled , but the purpose of the ban was to prevent people shooting birds for enjoyment! This is the whole nub of the matter. It is OK to carry out certain methods of control as long as you are not doing it for pleasure! The attack is on Sporting Shooting of any kind, including Driven Grouse, Driven Pheasant ,Partridge etc. Abolition of the pursuit of any live quarry at all is their goal and they are using their connection with the BBC as a platform to further their mission. When this was pointed out to him by the Piers Morgan interviewer, he shuffled in his seat and claimed he doesn't actually work for the BBC but is called on to make programmes as he has specialist knowledge about the subject. Just as a point of interest, when did you last see a BBC programme which showed Shooting Sports in a positive way? The BBC are as anti-shooting in their own stance. If you enjoy shooting you are under attack and it is more than a few bunny huggers you are up a against, this is a politically motivated campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feltwad Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 3 hours ago, gladrag said: I think we are all reeling in shock at the way this has been sprung upon us. We are all responding in exactly the same way by stating the obvious facts about the crop damage , risk to the vulnerable nests of this current breeding season. We are trying to appeal to anyone who will listen by using the argument that our contribution in predator and vermin control is vital to the countryside and wildlife. We seem to be forgetting that Packham and his cronies are not bothered too much about the natural predation of wildlife or crop protection. Their main objective is the abolition of Shooting live quarry of any type for sport. I watched an interview where Piers Morgan laid out some reasonable questions regarding the present ban and the effect it would have on farming and breeding birds. Packham was quite disingenuous in his response, stating that it was not intended to prevent farmers from protecting their crops and he even acknowledged that some predator species needed to be controlled , but the purpose of the ban was to prevent people shooting birds for enjoyment! This is the whole nub of the matter. It is OK to carry out certain methods of control as long as you are not doing it for pleasure! The attack is on Sporting Shooting of any kind, including Driven Grouse, Driven Pheasant ,Partridge etc. Abolition of the pursuit of any live quarry at all is their goal and they are using their connection with the BBC as a platform to further their mission. When this was pointed out to him by the Piers Morgan interviewer, he shuffled in his seat and claimed he doesn't actually work for the BBC but is called on to make programmes as he has specialist knowledge about the subject. Just as a point of interest, when did you last see a BBC programme which showed Shooting Sports in a positive way? The BBC are as anti-shooting in their own stance. If you enjoy shooting you are under attack and it is more than a few bunny huggers you are up a against, this is a politically motivated campaign. I totally agree with what you say Feltwad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shufti Posted May 4, 2019 Report Share Posted May 4, 2019 Absolutely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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