Fuddster Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 (edited) Hi all, I had a chat with the Eley rep at the Northern shooting about the new steel load with a biodegradable wad-Anyone seen them for sale yet? Nothing JC site. f. Edited July 30, 2019 by Fuddster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted July 30, 2019 Report Share Posted July 30, 2019 Ask eley who your local dealer is and then ask your dealer to order them in. Or I ordered through eley to collect from a dealer they supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodeer Posted August 2, 2019 Report Share Posted August 2, 2019 Not available yet. I'd use them over anything else for wildfowl shooting as using plastic really gets to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilksy II Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 On 30/07/2019 at 17:13, Fuddster said: Hi all, I had a chat with the Eley rep at the Northern shooting about the new steel load with a biodegradable wad-Anyone seen them for sale yet? Nothing JC site. f. Hiya fuddster, I was in york guns yesterday and they are stocking the Gamebore silver steel 32g 4’s bio wad £11 a box but they were currently out of stock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 On 02/08/2019 at 23:13, dodeer said: Not available yet. I'd use them over anything else for wildfowl shooting as using plastic really gets to me. Just spoke to Eley this morning, and they are now starting to go out to dealers. So will soon be available. I'm going to get some of the clay loads for snipe shooting, they should be spot on. They use Euro sizes, so a 7 is actually 2.54mm so approaching a 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartyboy Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 Curious as to the shot count of say 32 gram of no.4 steel compared to 32 gram of no.4 lead? Guessing pellet count will be higher with steel as theres more pellets compared to lead by comparable weight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, stuartyboy said: Curious as to the shot count of say 32 gram of no.4 steel compared to 32 gram of no.4 lead? Guessing pellet count will be higher with steel as theres more pellets compared to lead by comparable weight? You are looking at around a 30% increase in pellets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, stuartyboy said: Curious as to the shot count of say 32 gram of no.4 steel compared to 32 gram of no.4 lead? Guessing pellet count will be higher with steel as theres more pellets compared to lead by comparable weight? been done a billion times. it can be easily researched. what isnt recognised enough, is shot weight comparison which is #4 shot lead vs #4 shot steel. the consensus of "go up 2 shotsizes" is to get over the density difference so the shotcount between 1oz is miniscule. but what time prove that increasing steel speeds 1300fps to 1500fps can prove useful. to maybe compensate steel poor ballistic co--efficient if you wanted a general rule, go up 3 shotsizes, if buying factory. if you are reloading exclusively, 32-36g of #2 at 1400fps for duck and maybe bbs for geese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 I know a couple of folk testing them and the reports are very positive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardigun Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 Hi Perazzishot, will they be publishing their reports ? I would be most interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 R 5 hours ago, cardigun said: Hi Perazzishot, will they be publishing their reports ? I would be most interested. They will be no better than any other steel shell on the market, just a bit more eco friendly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 Bit more expensive too if the Gamebore variant are 11 pounds a box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 They don't appear to do a shot size for geese either. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Kalahari said: They don't appear to do a shot size for geese either. David No only sizes I've seen listed were for close in stuff and duck drive bag fillers on game days. No real wildfowling loads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 3 hours ago, figgy said: No only sizes I've seen listed were for close in stuff and duck drive bag fillers on game days. No real wildfowling loads. I am fairly sure they make a load in size 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 Hope they have, more sensible load for general duck and goose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) Wad orignially developed in Spain with funding from the EU...... https://www.clay-shooting.com/features/shooting-without-trace/ https://ec.europa.eu/environment/eco-innovation/projects/en/projects/cartridge-wad I also notice Rio are bringing out their Bluesteel as an Eco version with the same wad. http://www.rioammo.com/en/rio_ammunition/products/hunting_cartridges/royal_eco_bluesteel# Edited August 15, 2019 by Stonepark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalahari Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 11 hours ago, motty said: I am fairly sure they make a load in size 3. In steel I wouldn't call #3 a foreshore goose load. There is little information on case size and load weight options either. David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motty Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 57 minutes ago, Kalahari said: In steel I wouldn't call #3 a foreshore goose load. There is little information on case size and load weight options either. David. I didn't mention geese. However, a well aimed shot with steel 3s will poleaxe a 40 yard pink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5x55SE Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Kalahari said: In steel I wouldn't call #3 a foreshore goose load. There is little information on case size and load weight options either. David. Depends on the Nut behind the Butt . I'd like a £ for every Foreshore Goose I've cleanly killed with steel 3's. Pattern and Penatration kills not one on its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted August 17, 2019 Report Share Posted August 17, 2019 On 15/08/2019 at 10:05, cardigun said: Hi Perazzishot, will they be publishing their reports ? I would be most interested. The testing has been field testing on pigeons with a few high profile pigeon shooters being supplied. No mixed reports to date all very happy with kills at usual expected ranges and no notable differences in shot to kill ratios. The consensus being we don't have a lot to worry about when they get round to banning lead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 17, 2019 Report Share Posted August 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Perazzishot said: The testing has been field testing on pigeons with a few high profile pigeon shooters being supplied. No mixed reports to date all very happy with kills at usual expected ranges and no notable differences in shot to kill ratios. The consensus being we don't have a lot to worry about when they get round to banning lead! Will make for some interesting high pheasant cartridges 36 g of 1 shot steel like we use for geese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuddster Posted August 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2019 On 14/08/2019 at 07:52, Wilksy II said: Hiya fuddster, I was in york guns yesterday and they are stocking the Gamebore silver steel 32g 4’s bio wad £11 a box but they were currently out of stock! Cheers for that-late reply as just back from Spain. Surprised to see so many cereals still standing driving back from LBA-but I saw there had been some storms locally. Best have a look about tomorrow. f. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted August 18, 2019 Report Share Posted August 18, 2019 Saw on Instagram a 32g 5 shot outer case cut open alongside a 32g 3 shot. Both showing a almost clear degradable bio wad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 On 17/08/2019 at 17:09, figgy said: Will make for some interesting high pheasant cartridges 36 g of 1 shot steel like we use for geese. I've already used RC Hyperfast Technosteel and Eley Vip Steel on duck drives and brought down some good duck and also seen very good duck being brought down with them. The only complaint I have with them is that steel does not have the same initial shock thump on impact where it expands. You will see ducks fly 300-600 yards then just fall dead out the sky. When plucking them you will often find the steel shot has passed straight through them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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