TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 Gentlemen please don't stop Oowee believing his dream of giving away our once proud country to loads of people who do NOT deserve it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Gentlemen please don't stop Oowee believing his dream of giving away our once proud country to loads of people who do NOT deserve it! Thats surely the point. Our once proud country needs to get up to speed and change with the times. Like you I do not want to give anything away but equally I recognise that we are living on borrowed time of past exploitations. Now we must pay our way and earn our crust. Good job i am retired from a life of giving for others. 10 minutes ago, sportsbob said: Thanks for the link, is a shame it is historic. The date range for the figures given go back tens of years and more recently the immigrant demographic has changed significantly. The document even goes onto suggest the figures given are only a best guess and when other variables are taken into account they could well be very wrong. Somewhere I seem to recall that a if a foreign national returns to his home nation for a certain period ( a few months ) of time they can claim back the tax paid into the system, if this is so then the potential measerly amount they may have paid at best will turn into a massive drain on the treasury. The figures are based on net costs and benefits so presumably allow for net tax. But 🙂 allow for the fact that very many migrants return to their home countries before they claim pension (although exportable benefits) and mor critical end of life health care and the benefit must be more in their favour. The figures distorted because often the most successful will are more likely to become naturalised and then lost from the figures. My point being that at worst they are likely to be cost neutral. Much of the rhetoric has no basis in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DkxVxhOf2gto&ved=2ahUKEwiLyIut3KriAhXyVBUIHaZZBfMQwqsBMAB6BAgIEAU&usg=AOvVaw00xrn1p2FZZWNketr22JPZ Tightchoke link as requested. It may have been shown earlier elsewhere, but I only seen it today on YouTube not long after it was uploaded. Edited May 20, 2019 by figgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Gentlemen please don't stop Oowee believing his dream of giving away our once proud country to loads of people who do NOT deserve it! 1 minute ago, oowee said: Thats surely the point. Our once proud country needs to get up to speed and change with the times. Like you I do not want to give anything away but equally I recognise that we are living on borrowed time of past exploitations. Now we must pay our way and earn our crust. Good job i am retired from a life of giving for others. So if you "don't want to give anything away" why are you so keen to have so many visitors with little or no useful skills taking out of the pot that they have not contributed to? I am more than happy to have people from all around the world that have skills we need and pay their way. I do not want anymore pizza delivery guys and car washers and courier drivers, we already have far too many! 1 minute ago, figgy said: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DkxVxhOf2gto&ved=2ahUKEwiLyIut3KriAhXyVBUIHaZZBfMQwqsBMAB6BAgIEAU&usg=AOvVaw00xrn1p2FZZWNketr22JPZ Tightchoke link as requested. It may have been shown earlier elsewhere, but I only seen it today on YouTube not long after it was uploaded. Ta very muchly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 Currently Alastair Campbell is on Twitter blowing a gasket about how using Paypalforeigners could fund the Brexit Party. He is demanding the BBC cover the story. Nick Robertson this morning asked Richard Tice about it without any evidence of any foreign funding. This site’s editor is currently sat in sunny Waterford, Ireland. He is a foreign national. He just went on the People’s Vote website and made a donation: To make the donation anonymous he gave the name Vladimir Putin. He used a Euro card from a bank based in Germany. It went through without any identity checks in seconds. The editor checked the € account online, the £1 donation cost €1.14. Alastair Campbell’s People’s Vote welcomes offshore donations: What is the issue Alastair? Source: Guido Fawkes. Lord Heseltine has been doing the media rounds yet again this morning as broadcasters scrape the barrel to generate ‘blue-on-blue’ content now the Soubries of this world have jumped onto their own sinking ship. Not that Heseltine is making any effort to be ‘blue’ any more after publicly endorsing the Lib Dems over the weekend. Will the Remainers in CCHQ be expelling him from the Party like they threatened to do with anyone who backed the Brexit Party? When challenged about the UK economy outpacing EU countries like Italy and even Germany, Heseltine’s mask entirely slipped: “This country’s economy is doing significantly better than you might hope.” Remainiacs literally admitting that they wanted the economy to be doing worse to punish voters for their democratic choice. The former pro-Euro campaigner also claimed that the strong economic performance was in part because “the Government is of course continuing to live on borrowed money” which doesn’t quite make sense as an argument given that the deficit has tumbled to its lowest level in fifteen years. Despite, of course, Brexit… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just two days after Change UK’s star MEP candidate Rachel Johnson called her party a “sinking ship”, interim leader Heidi Allen couldn’t even confirm that she would be standing for Change UK at the next election on Today. The only thing she’s sure about is that she’s not rejoining the Tories. Having spoken to a number of Cambridgeshire Conservatives, Guido can assure her the feeling is mutual… “Will I stand again in South Cambridgeshire, my constituency, as Change UK, if you know, whatever format, let’s hope, you know, depends… the format might be slightly different but whatever the ‘Brand New World’ Party looks like at that point in the general election, absolutely I’m not going back to the Conservatives.” Guido eagerly awaits Change UK’s next rebranding exercise as the ‘Brand New World’ Party. They can’t even get their dystopian name right… Source: Guido Fawkes 24 minutes ago, oowee said: Good job i am retired from a life of giving for others. ????? But I thought you were a Civil Servant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 21 minutes ago, figgy said: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DkxVxhOf2gto&ved=2ahUKEwiLyIut3KriAhXyVBUIHaZZBfMQwqsBMAB6BAgIEAU&usg=AOvVaw00xrn1p2FZZWNketr22JPZ Tightchoke link as requested. It may have been shown earlier elsewhere, but I only seen it today on YouTube not long after it was uploaded. What a cracking speech, more power to your elbow Sir Nigel! 8 minutes ago, pinfireman said: Currently Alastair Campbell is on Twitter blowing a gasket about how using Paypalforeigners could fund the Brexit Party. He is demanding the BBC cover the story. Nick Robertson this morning asked Richard Tice about it without any evidence of any foreign funding. This site’s editor is currently sat in sunny Waterford, Ireland. He is a foreign national. He just went on the People’s Vote website and made a donation: To make the donation anonymous he gave the name Vladimir Putin. He used a Euro card from a bank based in Germany. It went through without any identity checks in seconds. The editor checked the € account online, the £1 donation cost €1.14. Alastair Campbell’s People’s Vote welcomes offshore donations: What is the issue Alastair? Source: Guido Fawkes. Lord Heseltine has been doing the media rounds yet again this morning as broadcasters scrape the barrel to generate ‘blue-on-blue’ content now the Soubries of this world have jumped onto their own sinking ship. Not that Heseltine is making any effort to be ‘blue’ any more after publicly endorsing the Lib Dems over the weekend. Will the Remainers in CCHQ be expelling him from the Party like they threatened to do with anyone who backed the Brexit Party? When challenged about the UK economy outpacing EU countries like Italy and even Germany, Heseltine’s mask entirely slipped: “This country’s economy is doing significantly better than you might hope.” Remainiacs literally admitting that they wanted the economy to be doing worse to punish voters for their democratic choice. The former pro-Euro campaigner also claimed that the strong economic performance was in part because “the Government is of course continuing to live on borrowed money” which doesn’t quite make sense as an argument given that the deficit has tumbled to its lowest level in fifteen years. Despite, of course, Brexit… I thought "Tarzan" was already dead, not just from the neck up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 A new YouGov poll for ITV and Cardiff University has found that the Brexit Party now has a 17 point lead, up a whopping 26 points from April. Since last month, the Labour vote has halved and ChUK has fallen from 8% to just 2%, too small for Guido’s bar chart. On these numbers, the Brexit Party takes half of all Welsh seats, double the number projected for the self described ‘Party of Wales’. Chwerthin yn uchel… Despite having a swanky Central London HQ staffed with around 90 people, running a leafleting campaign across the country and designing a flashy new websiteinstructing voters which parties to vote for in the EU elections, People’s Vote have only declared a single donation to the Electoral Commission – from the 2017 General Election – and still under their old name of Open Britain. Their offshore donations from Vladimir Putin aren’t likely to appear any time soon… That single donation is for a healthy £82,822.45, although how they’re using it to fund 90 people’s salaries is a mystery. What’s also a mystery is why the donation was given at all, it’s all come from a small Glasgow-based company, Ferring Controlled Therapeutics Ltd, with no connection to politics – they are a specialist company manufacturing pharmaceuticals for natal care. They don’t even have their own website, their total profits after tax for 2018 were just £384,065… What they do have is a two billion-euro parent company, Ferring Pharmaceuticals, founded in Sweden, now headquartered in Switzerland and active in 110 countriesaround the world. The senior management is heavily EU-dominated. Ferring even counts Princess Alexandra of Denmark, Countess of Fredriksborg, as one of its Directors…. It is simply implausible that their tiny UK subsidiary made a political donation equivalent to over 20% of their annual profits without the involvement of the EU/Swiss parent company. Donations from foreign companies are specifically not permitted under UK electoral law. Someone looks to have been laundering the money through this small UK company. Guido can’t wait for Campbell and Cadwalladr to kick up a fuss about this one… UPDATE: It turns out that £82,822.45 is remarkably close to €100,000 at April 2017 exchange rates. Who’d have thought… Source: Guido Fawkes! 7 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: What a cracking speech, more power to your elbow Sir Nigel! I thought "Tarzan" was already dead, not just from the neck up! We live in hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 Nigel Farrage has made another rousing and cracking Speach in Bolton. Link https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.supernewsworld.com/Nigel-Farage-Brilliant-In-Bolton-And-Fired-Up-By-The-Milkshake-Man-8947926.html&ved=0ahUKEwjdqcPcpKziAhVHRxUIHWfqDqsQo7QBCCswAg&usg=AOvVaw27bWe9YSYz76Ww9PGvaWFJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
besty57 Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 Brilliant, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 3 hours ago, figgy said: Nigel Farrage has made another rousing and cracking Speach in Bolton. Link https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.supernewsworld.com/Nigel-Farage-Brilliant-In-Bolton-And-Fired-Up-By-The-Milkshake-Man-8947926.html&ved=0ahUKEwjdqcPcpKziAhVHRxUIHWfqDqsQo7QBCCswAg&usg=AOvVaw27bWe9YSYz76Ww9PGvaWFJ This needs to be shared and shared, people need to see it and decide whether they are voting for someone representing a credible political party or an audition for something like Britain's got talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 I see that if you type "milkshake" into the search bar on youtube Farage is there before Kelis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 Raja I take it you voted remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: This needs to be shared and shared, people need to see it and decide whether they are voting for someone representing a credible political party or an audition for something like Britain's got talent. Not sure what you find so offensive about it, I know you detest the man with irrational fervour , but its just a speech. Do you have issues with what hes saying, is he lying ? If it wasnt so serious, maybe it would be funny? That its even necessary he does these speeches, and the Brexit party even exists ? But there we are . 8 minutes ago, henry d said: I see that if you type "milkshake" into the search bar on youtube Farage is there before Kelis! Thats really interesting ..how did you find that out , were you researching milkshakes ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, figgy said: Raja I take it you voted remain. Figgy, I did but that's not really the point. Despite what you may read in this thread there are plenty of people who voted for Brexit that will never vote for Farage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Figgy, I did but that's not really the point. Despite what you may read in this thread there are plenty of people who voted for Brexit that will never vote for Farage. And thankfully there are an awful lot of people who will! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Not sure what you find so offensive about it, I know you detest the man with irrational fervour , but its just a speech. Who mentioned anything about being offensive, not me, perhaps it's all in your head. Detesting with fervour, yes, the irrational bit is your opinion of which you are obviously entitled to. Do you have issues with what hes saying, is he lying ? The reason the crowd knew what he was going to say next is that he isn't saying anything new, he rubbishes just about every other politician in recent living history and blames everyone else for the situation we are in, same old same old. At the end we are left with him saying it's a vote for a WTO Brexit and also that it put's WTO Brexit back on the table. For a man / party with a politically one dimensional view / focus he can't even be straightforward with what he actually means it would appear... So, again what is someone who votes for the Brexit Party actually voting for? He also suggests that a strong Brexit Party vote squashes the notion of a further peoples vote - bit of a stretch in my humble opinion. Whilst it would not be fair to say he is lying he is playing the usual lines that resonate with ardent Brexiteers - no problem with that per se, after all it's exactly what you want to hear. If it wasnt so serious, maybe it would be funny? That its even necessary he does these speeches, and the Brexit party even exists ? So all the laughs were fake / staged, is that what you are saying - his, those seated behind and in front of him? But there we are . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: And thankfully there are an awful lot of people who will! Not doubting it and let's face it even if the Brexit Party get 30% of the overall vote, Farage will be claiming it's a vote for democracy, a vote to squash any notion of the need for a confirmatory public vote, a mandate for him to get involved in negotiations on whatever version of Brexit it is he is actually advocating. Personally I suspect he's keeping the door open on a deal because in the back of his mind he has this niggling concern that if he does get to No.10 he might not quite have the conviction to invoke no deal afterall (but maybe I'm given him more credit than he's worthy of)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 I shall just await the results on Thursday evening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 46 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: there are plenty of people who voted for Brexit that will never vote for Farage. How do you know this ? If you dont vote for a party like Brexit, how are you going to get what you actually voted for in the referendum ? Certainly the cons and labour arent going to do it are they ? The libs, greens and change arent going to do it. Try to rationalise your thinking on this, I know its difficult because youre not a leaver, and you hate Farage, but if you want to achieve something, and only one person is offering to deliver it, you dont cut your nose off to spite your face, just because you dont like his. 37 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Who mentioned anything about being offensive, not me, perhaps it's all in your head. Detesting with fervour, yes, the irrational bit is your opinion of which you are obviously entitled to. You do realise that sometimes you dont have to say the exact words, but your disgust at having to watch the speech was evident, there you go 'disgust' you didnt say that either So is it 'all in my head' ? 39 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: The reason the crowd knew what he was going to say next is that he isn't saying anything new, he rubbishes just about every other politician in recent living history and blames everyone else for the situation we are in, same old same old. At the end we are left with him saying it's a vote for a WTO Brexit and also that it put's WTO Brexit back on the table. For a man / party with a politically one dimensional view / focus he can't even be straightforward with what he actually means it would appear... Have you ever watched PMQ s or QT , this is standard political debate in the 21st century ! I think he is quite clear what he means, you can try to negate or dilute it by labelling it 'far right' or 'populist' but the proof will ultimately be in the pudding. 42 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: So, again what is someone who votes for the Brexit Party actually voting for? Theres a clue in the name ^^ 42 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: He also suggests that a strong Brexit Party vote squashes the notion of a further peoples vote - bit of a stretch in my humble opinion. Why is that then ? Surely the EU elections are a great platform for all those remainers to show the strength of their numbers ? 44 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Whilst it would not be fair to say he is lying he is playing the usual lines that resonate with ardent Brexiteers - no problem with that per se, after all it's exactly what you want to hear. Okaaay , so if hes not lying , hes telling the truth, and yes, I like to hear the truth, makes a change after being lied to by mainstream politicos over the past 3 years. So if HES telling the truth, are not the remain politicos lying, or perhaps bending the truth somewhat ? You see therein lies the problem, most of Westminster have been feeding the electorate a diet of faeces for the past 3 years , believing them too stupid or disinterested to notice. But people have noticed, and most people are not stupid, and now people (just like me) have become VERY interested in what those 650 salaries and expense accounts are doing these days. Politics IS going to change, because their blatent attempt at subverting democracy has woken up people, and theyre not happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: Figgy, I did but that's not really the point. Despite what you may read in this thread there are plenty of people who voted for Brexit that will never vote for Farage. Thursday will blow that out of the water. The only Brexiteers who will not vote for Farage are hardline UKIP members, giving their support to Batten and TR. 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: The reason the crowd knew what he was going to say next is that he isn't saying anything new, he rubbishes just about every other politician in recent living history and blames everyone else for the situation we are in, s But surely, in doing this he tells the truth? They ARE rubbish! 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: So, again what is someone who votes for the Brexit Party actually voting for? To LEAVE the EU? Something we have ALREADY voted for, and been ignored by the politicians you seem to admire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: Not doubting it and let's face it even if the Brexit Party get 30% of the overall vote, Farage will be claiming it's a vote for democracy, a vote to squash any notion of the need for a confirmatory public vote, a mandate for him to get involved in negotiations on whatever version of Brexit it is he is actually advocating. Personally I suspect he's keeping the door open on a deal because in the back of his mind he has this niggling concern that if he does get to No.10 he might not quite have the conviction to invoke no deal afterall (but maybe I'm given him more credit than he's worthy of)... Why do we need a "confirmatory vote?" We have ALREADY voted, to LEAVE! 44 minutes ago, Rewulf said: How do you know this ? If you dont vote for a party like Brexit, how are you going to get what you actually voted for in the referendum ? Certainly the cons and labour arent going to do it are they ? The libs, greens and change arent going to do it. Try to rationalise your thinking on this, I know its difficult because youre not a leaver, and you hate Farage, but if you want to achieve something, and only one person is offering to deliver it, you dont cut your nose off to spite your face, just because you dont like his. You do realise that sometimes you dont have to say the exact words, but your disgust at having to watch the speech was evident, there you go 'disgust' you didnt say that either So is it 'all in my head' ? Have you ever watched PMQ s or QT , this is standard political debate in the 21st century ! I think he is quite clear what he means, you can try to negate or dilute it by labelling it 'far right' or 'populist' but the proof will ultimately be in the pudding. Theres a clue in the name ^^ Why is that then ? Surely the EU elections are a great platform for all those remainers to show the strength of their numbers ? Okaaay , so if hes not lying , hes telling the truth, and yes, I like to hear the truth, makes a change after being lied to by mainstream politicos over the past 3 years. So if HES telling the truth, are not the remain politicos lying, or perhaps bending the truth somewhat ? You see therein lies the problem, most of Westminster have been feeding the electorate a diet of faeces for the past 3 years , believing them too stupid or disinterested to notice. But people have noticed, and most people are not stupid, and now people (just like me) have become VERY interested in what those 650 salaries and expense accounts are doing these days. Politics IS going to change, because their blatent attempt at subverting democracy has woken up people, and theyre not happy. Absolutely correct! Nigel Farage has accused the Electoral Commission of an “outrageous act of political interference” for deciding to come and investigate the Brexit Party’s offices just two days before the EU elections. Farage claims that Commission had already given the party a “clean bill of health” and been invited to visit their offices last week, but the Commission said they were too busy to visit, while refusing to put their assessment in writing. A few tweets from Twitter’s resident FBPE cranks and a “powerful intervention” from Gordon Brown later and suddenly the Electoral Commission decide to drop everything and raid their offices the next day… As Guido pointed out last night, pretty much every single political party and campaign also follows the £500 donation threshold including People’s Vote and the Labour Party, it has been a standard feature of political donations for countless election cycles. The fact that the Electoral Commission suddenly decided the Brexit Party – and no-one else – required urgent investigation over it shows that they either don’t have sufficient understanding of the law they are meant to enforce, or their investigations are not politically neutral. Or more likely, both… Source Guido Fawkes. Just the usual smear tactics from Remain.....After 3 years, we are almost used to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 If Farage is lying, would someone be good enough to point out precisely what the lie is? Some might not like what he is saying, but I find it hard, if not impossible to fault what he says. I question their motives. If they don't like what he says, they attack the person. Very limited thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gordon R said: If Farage is lying, would someone be good enough to point out precisely what the lie is? Some might not like what he is saying, but I find it hard, if not impossible to fault what he says. I question their motives. If they don't like what he says, they attack the person. Very limited thinking. Pot and kettle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinfireman Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 The Electoral Commission......Remainers all.... Alasdair Morgan. Sarah Chambers. Alasdair Morgan. Lord Gilbert of Panteg. Joan Walley. Alastair Ross. Isn,t it strange how they totally failed to investigate the Remain campaign, and its funding, despite being handed a thick dossier by former government minister, Ptitti Patel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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