Brexit - merged threads

[mick miller]

Just popped back in. Have we left yet?

[JohnfromUK]

10 minutes ago, oowee said:

when we have to start defending our cod pieces. 

I have a vague recollection of President Macron (no doubt addressing his "Gilletts jaunes" mobs saying that the purpose of the 'backstop' had little to do with Ireland and all to do with fishing rights.

IF we did not sign over free access to OUR fishing as part of our Future Trade Deal to be negotiated during the 'Transition Period' ........ then he would insist on the backstop being applied to keep us in the EU and so keep access to OUR fishing grounds without a deal.

France (and I guess Spain) will not give up access to our waters without a fight.

[Jaymo]

14 minutes ago, oowee said:

Just catching up with todays progress and learning new words 🙂 

Surprisingly not much mention of the money to be well spent on the Brexit preps. I was wondering how long it will be before we start to requisition a few ships for the defence of our fishing grounds. If we can only spare a couple of boats to manage the Gulf then boats are going to be in short supply come November when we have to start defending our cod pieces. 

 

Turned up at our froggy place and there is a little 1960’s speed boat and age related engine in the driveway- can I sell it to her Majesty’s Navy? 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Just now, Jaymo said:

Turned up at our froggy place and there is a little 1960’s speed boat and age related engine in the driveway- can I sell it to her Majesty’s Navy? 

Only if you can include crew, the wavy navy is but a shadow of its former self!

[Rewulf]

3 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I have a vague recollection of President Macron (no doubt addressing his "Gilletts jaunes" mobs saying that the purpose of the 'backstop' had little to do with Ireland and all to do with fishing rights.

IF we did not sign over free access to OUR fishing as part of our Future Trade Deal to be negotiated during the 'Transition Period' ........ then he would insist on the backstop being applied to keep us in the EU and so keep access to OUR fishing grounds without a deal.

France (and I guess Spain) will not give up access to our waters without a fight.

The back stop was always about leverage, you know it , I know it , even the remainers know it, it was that easy to see through , it makes you wonder why they ever thought they could slide it past us.
Once we impound a few illegal fishing boats in our waters, theyll get the message.
It works both ways though, we have access to their waters too at the moment  ?

22 minutes ago, oowee said:

Surprisingly not much mention of the money to be well spent on the Brexit preps.

2 billion is a long way short of 40 !

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Once we impound a few illegal fishing boats in our waters, theyll get the message.

It will be difficult when we have one aircraft carrier (with I believe no aircraft and in dock because it leaks) about the size of Ireland, and little else in our Navy.

[oowee]

2 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

It will be difficult when we have one aircraft carrier (with I believe no aircraft and in dock because it leaks) about the size of Ireland, and little else in our Navy.

True but..... I reckon we can use the carrier as one of the new Boris free ports. That way it does not need to go anywhere. 

[ditchman]

32 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

Turned up at our froggy place and there is a little 1960’s speed boat and age related engine in the driveway- can I sell it to her Majesty’s Navy? 

and in return we will let you borrow our pedal powered fighter aircraft.............

[Jaymo]

1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Only if you can include crew, the wavy navy is but a shadow of its former self!

I think the crew from Captain Pugwash is available ? Mr Staines and young master Bates ( ok, so it’s urban legend that those were characters) 

1 hour ago, ditchman said:

and in return we will let you borrow our pedal powered fighter aircraft.............

Oh no, I can’t stand a pedalo yet alone a peddle plane— saw how much hard work it was on those man powered plastic things were.

After the food n booze today I’m lucky to roll of the sofa, yet alone anything more physical- much to mrs jaymo’s relief 

[Jaymo]

9 hours ago, welsh1 said:

You presume that all people voting for the brexit party were tories, when this may not be the case as a lot of labour party voters are also in favour of brexit and vote for the brexit party.

Will plaid and others step aside for the lib dems come a general election, and be prepared to forgo being represented by their own MP's?

Plaid and others are seen as helping lib dems by stepping aside, but the reality is they had little or no chance of success and by not contesting this seat have saved themselves some money, something they are quite short of.

I am indeed presuming, but having looked at the previous Labour voting pattern there, it would appear to be so- but of course I could be wrong.

Even if only half were Tories, he would still have retained his seat, had the Brexit party not fielded a candidate?

Funny how I predicted this and now even the papers are reporting along the same lines !!!!!!

[ditchman]

13 minutes ago, Jaymo said:

I think the crew from Captain Pugwash is available ? Mr Staines and young master Bates ( ok, so it’s urban legend that those were characters) 

Oh no, I can’t stand a pedalo yet alone a peddle plane— saw how much hard work it was on those man powered plastic things were.

After the food n booze today I’m lucky to roll of the sofa, yet alone anything more physical- much to mrs jaymo’s relief 

you mean she is  on downtime at the moment....you've unchained her from the sink

[Jaymo]

8 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Space cat has special deductive powers, cause and effect, if something didnt happen when by all evidence it should have done, there is a reason, and that reason is usually because the 'evidence' is flawed or false.

Use your third eye 😂

Last time I used my third eye, we ended up with two more children

[Rewulf]

Just now, Jaymo said:

Last time I used my third eye, we ended up with two more children

You should have seen it coming 😳🤣

[Jaymo]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

You should have seen it coming 😳🤣

If she had then we wouldn’t have them two monsters 🙂

4 minutes ago, ditchman said:

you mean she is  on downtime at the moment....you've unchained her from the sink

Yep, even let her have a few mins by the pool before cooking dinner 🙂

 

[Capt Christopher Jones]

4 hours ago, oowee said:

Just catching up with todays progress and learning new words 🙂 

Surprisingly not much mention of the money to be well spent on the Brexit preps. I was wondering how long it will be before we start to requisition a few ships for the defence of our fishing grounds. If we can only spare a couple of boats to manage the Gulf then boats are going to be in short supply come November when we have to start defending our cod pieces. 

 

I think Blojo has ear marked failing grayling for the role 

[Retsdon]

10 hours ago, Rewulf said:

the back stop was always about leverage,

No it wasn't. It was about finding some sort of compromise between May's red lines and the Good Friday Agreement. What would you propose instead?

[Rewulf]

3 hours ago, Retsdon said:

No it wasn't. It was about finding some sort of compromise between May's red lines and the Good Friday Agreement. What would you propose instead?

Believe that if you want too, but primary school kids can see what it's for, to keep us under EU control. 

You really think Brussels cares about the good Friday agreement? You've been out the loop too long. 

Stop reading the guardian. 

[JohnfromUK]

Radio this morning was interviewing Sinn Fein 'MPs' (who have never taken their seats and hence are always abstentions) and they are (apparently) considering taking their seats just to thwart Brexit.  Since there are 7 of them, this is not insignificant and would mean that even full full Tory and DUP support, Johnson has no majority.

Hence Brexit could be thwarted by 7 people voting at the behest of another country (Republic of Ireland) whose line they would of course follow.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

12 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Radio this morning was interviewing Sinn Fein 'MPs' (who have never taken their seats and hence are always abstentions) and they are (apparently) considering taking their seats just to thwart Brexit.  Since there are 7 of them, this is not insignificant and would mean that even full full Tory and DUP support, Johnson has no majority.

Hence Brexit could be thwarted by 7 people voting at the behest of another country (Republic of Ireland) whose line they would of course follow.

Gordon Bennet, men of principle I see!

[JohnfromUK]

In order to vote, they would (I think this is the case anyway) swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen - and this is the bit they won't do.  See https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/swearingin/

Note that if they did ever take the oath, they would also be able to collect their salaries .............

[Rewulf]

16 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Gordon Bennet, men of principle I see!

The sort of people who count terrorists as their friends, I wouldn't expect too much else. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

32 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

The sort of people who count terrorists as their friends, I wouldn't expect too much else. 

And Comrade Corbyn!

[Retsdon]

5 hours ago, Retsdon said:

What would you propose instead?

I'll try again....

Edited August 3, 2019 by Retsdon

[Rewulf]

17 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

I'll try again....

Sorry Sir ..didnt realise I had to report back as quick as that, hour drive to work and all that 😄

Ill say this, if the people on 6 figure salaries cant work out a simple solution to a fairly simple problem, maybe a lowly garage worker can point them in the right direction.

First of all Norway Sweden border.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway–Sweden_border

'Both countries are members of the Schengen Area, and there are therefore no immigration controls. However, only Sweden is part of the European Union (and crucially the European Union Customs Union) and there are customs checks between the two countries. These checks are performed by the Norwegian Customs and Excise Authorities and the Swedish Customs Service.^[3] These checks are sporadic along the Norway–Sweden border. Cars are usually not forced to stop. To combat drug smuggling, the use of CCTV surveillance has recently been increased, with systems using Automatic number plate recognition being rolled-out in 2016 and 2017.'

Is this so hard to do in Ireland  ?
They already have the common travel area,  goods could be given the same bonded status  as the Calais -Dover crossing, which has never seemed to be a problem ?

The very idea of security checkpoints being needed for people passing back and forth is a total fallacy, the only reason they were there was because of the IRA, unless of course they are coming back 'due to Brexit' ?

Swiss border doesnt seem to have queues of goods traffic, just free movement of people via treaty and Shengen.

There are plenty of examples of frictionless trade and people movement between EU and non EU countries, and as Ive stated multiple times on this thread, the EU isnt interested in 'protecting its single market integrity' its interested in the revenue generated from it, order yourself  a million rubber ducks from China, pay the duty , and they duly arrive, no issues, no problems , just trade.

 

On 10/07/2018 at 10:50, Rewulf said:

Are you talking about recently, or in the Wests colonial past ?
If the former, no one is forcing them, and if their own countries are not treating the worker class correctly, its not something we can do a lot about besides voting with our feet (but more on that later)
If the latter, then Im sorry, but my colonial past is restricted to the odd videogame, we really need to move on from the exploitation guilt syndrome.

You talk about protectionism, but the EU has been very selective about what parts of it they 'protect'
They certainly havnt protected our fishing industry, or steel making for example, consigning whole communities to the scrap heap.
They dont 'protect' us from cheap Chinese goods, they slap a tariff on them, thus making themselves and governments money.
Tariffs the Chinese manufacturers dont mind, because they still make good profits from us.
You talk of product standards and protection of environmental standards, but again, it doesnt stop goods coming in from countries outside the EU, so either they adhere to the standards, or the EU ignores their own protocols, all this whilst goods come from countries whose environmental standards are shocking.
 

Those of us who know anything about technology, know that most of the fancy tech gear we have comes from the far East, look around you right now, your computer, phone , tablet, kettle, microwave, TV , the electronics in your car, plastic goods, all the things you take for granted in your daily life, highly likely came from a factory in Taiwan ,China or Korea.
So tell me again, how the EU 'protects' us from this ?

Lastly, you talk about how the bigger the EU ,the better, get more countries on board, more countries, more protection right ?
More POWER !
To who, you, me ?
Not on your life, more power to Brussels, more votes from grateful poor countries, happy to tow the line whilst, at least in the early days, they receive ECB loans and 'grants' OUR money, making Brussels look like some benevolent father figure ?
 

If it was all about trade power, it wouldnt be as bad, but its much more about political power, the power to tell those countries how to set up their own laws 'in line' with EU objectives, objectives often very detrimental to those countries traditions,economy and culture.
But a smattering of hush money, fame and prestige in the right places, and a bust on the United states of Europe hall of fame can work wonders.

Ill be honest ,I expected a far better answer from you oowee, I actually doubt your honesty in the one you gave.
But if thats the way you see it ,fair enough.
But I can guarantee you one thing, your dream of Europe is not theirs.
You see a future of prosperity and mutual understanding.
Their vision is totalitarian, no arguing with Brussels, a very limited version of democracy (or none at all) and complete erosion of national identity and culture.
A quasi socialist 4 th reich.
 

From a year ago.

[Rewulf]