Rewulf Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Exactly, unanimous hence the correct legal outcome. I was referring to their likely personal leanings on Brexit. How so? The media will dig their leanings and affiliations up, history ect. I wonder what we will find ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, welsh1 said: So Parliment rushes to reconvene, the first thing they will probably do is call a vote of no confidence in the government, which they should win, the government collapses, but more importantly a general election will have to be called, it will be in the hands of the people. One great big circle to arrive back at the point we all started from a few weeks ago. let's your right and the polls are right, Cons get a big majority and Brexit can finally be dealt with. What could possibly go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rewulf said: The media will dig their leanings and affiliations up, history ect. I wonder what we will find ? Double dealing, dishonesty, self interest and the rest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rewulf said: The media will dig their leanings and affiliations up, history ect. I wonder what we will find ? unless they are shown to be remainers of course because all the media are complicit in the treasonous conspiracy to thwart Brexit 😛 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 Just now, Raja Clavata said: unless they are shown to be remainers of course because all the media are complicit in the treasonous conspiracy to thwart Brexit 😛 Never a truer word spoken in jest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Mice! said: let's your right and the polls are right, Cons get a big majority and Brexit can finally be dealt with. What could possibly go wrong? Not much I can see, besides some of the tory MPs doing what they did in 2017, getting elected on a leave ticket, then turning tail and supporting remain. Make no mistake, labour fear an election very much, their ridiculous offers at the conference of 32 hr weeks at the same money, free tuition fees (again) and millions of free houses for everyone, payed for by ,errr who knows ? Are the desperate attempts of a dying party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Does it ? He asked the queen to prorogue , giving reasons that she obviously was agreeable to. Did he lie ? How does the court know what those reasons were ? Why was she obviously agreeable to them, there is a difference between acceptance and agreement. Come on now - "did he lie"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: unless they are shown to be remainers of course because all the media are complicit in the treasonous conspiracy to thwart Brexit 😛 Not ALL the media. Im sure you have realised that news reporting these days doesnt need to have big money behind it to be influential. This leads o more choice and a more level playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 And a general lowering of standards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 16 minutes ago, Rewulf said: But this time , an election is forced that the opposition didnt want.... They have to, or they look stoopid ! They all look STOOPID so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Come on now - "did he lie"... Quite possibly, but who knows! The judges seem to 'think' he did, but with what evidence??? Are we saying it is acceptable for judges to pass judgement on a hunch, without any evidence!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 27 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Exactly. Prorogation affected Brexit how , anyway ? Te snipped 4 days off the start, and about 10 days off the end, which now wont happen. What exactly was he going to do with it ? I think hes played a blinder. By showing the remain side for what it is. I don’t think he has, it’s nothing to do with remain or leave it is to do with Boris was found out by the supreme court to have acted unlawfully as either constitutionally feckless or lying to the Queen for his own political gain, the supreme court doesn’t say which but neither is good. If he leaves without a deal then that’s court case number 2 because of the Ben act, he is going to face so much political pressure if he tries to break the law twice now. God knows what happens next but he is in a worse position now that’s for sure, trying to ignore the Ben the act is so much harder now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I do not think they will call a Confidence Vote in any haste! They have painted themselves into a corner, if they don't call a no confidence vote they make themselves look totally incompetent and will be saying they still support the government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Raja Clavata said: Why was she obviously agreeable to them, Umm, because she agreed to them ? We have been TOLD that the prorogation was unusual, so the queen must have given it some scrutiny, or does she just rubber stamp anything put before her, I think not. 3 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Come on now - "did he lie"... About what ? The reason for the prorogation ? What if he said to HM , 'its in the nations interest to get this sorted , will you help me ' and she agreed, did he lie to her ? Did he lie to parliament in that case, or was he simply vague about the content of the forthcoming Queens speech content ? I keep asking what the 'master plan' of an extra 2 weeks of MP holiday was going to achieve. All its done as far as I can see, is expose Bercow as being completely biased to remain, and remain MPs as being capable of almost anything to stop Brexit. 3 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Are we saying it is acceptable for judges to pass judgement on a hunch, without any evidence!!! No one seems to want to question that though ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, welsh1 said: They have painted themselves into a corner, if they don't call a no confidence vote they make themselves look totally incompetent and will be saying they still support the government And in doing so support the government's out on the 31st do or die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, welsh1 said: They have painted themselves into a corner, if they don't call a no confidence vote they make themselves look totally incompetent and will be saying they still support the government Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: And a general lowering of standards... We are talking about the media, standards are not their strong point. Phone hacking ? Sensationalist ? Lies and half truths. They are a business, and a ruthless one at that. I would rather trust a non profit blogger that anything that carries adverts. Always makes me laugh when people use full fact as a way of checking the media 'facts' , well known for left wing bias , and the occasional 'gift' from soro's open society fund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 Now lets have someone haul Blair into court for using Executive privilege to stymie Tam Dayells petition to prevent the UK atracking Iraq under false pretenses because uf what BJ is doing is unlawful so was Blair! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, timps said: I don’t think he has, it’s nothing to do with remain or leave At this moment in time , it has everything to do with remain or leave. We are standing at a cliff edge, its the cliff edge of whether or not voting means anything anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 The only tools he has are bluff and bluster and sooner or later the Tory party members who put him in place will see him for what he is. If he lasts that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) The judges only decided it was unlawful after the fact and it will be interesting to see hiw much blow back this generates but importantly, this does not prevent parliment being porogued again but with written reasons this time. Edited September 24, 2019 by Stonepark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 Welsh1 (Rob) I respect your opinion and will happily stick to mine. Can you quantify what you mean with a time scale please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timps Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Rewulf said: At this moment in time , it has everything to do with remain or leave. We are standing at a cliff edge, its the cliff edge of whether or not voting means anything anymore. With that stance then you have a prime minister that actively lied to the Queen proven in a court of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Welsh1 (Rob) I respect your opinion and will happily stick to mine. Can you quantify what you mean with a time scale please. They cant call for a vote of no confidence before 1st October, in case Boris sets up a snap election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Umm, because she agreed to them ? We have been TOLD that the prorogation was unusual, so the queen must have given it some scrutiny, or does she just rubber stamp anything put before her, I think not. This prorogation was unusual, we were told that the queen does not normally get involved and normally takes the advice of her PM. I think you are using poetic licence here... About what ? The reason for the prorogation ? What if he said to HM , 'its in the nations interest to get this sorted , will you help me ' and she agreed, did he lie to her ? Did he lie to parliament in that case, or was he simply vague about the content of the forthcoming Queens speech content ? Too many what it's and conjecture. I keep asking what the 'master plan' of an extra 2 weeks of MP holiday was going to achieve. All its done as far as I can see, is expose Bercow as being completely biased to remain, and remain MPs as being capable of almost anything to stop Brexit. No one seems to want to question that though ! We will see. It's frankly incredible to suggest that all 11 justices passed the same judgement based on a hunch, in fact it's bordering on mentalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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