12gauge82 Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 10 hours ago, ordnance said: Or he should have his face covered, if he does not want identified. That's nice of you, maybe he was too busy worrying about saving lives to find his balaclava. I wonder if you'd be so flippant if it was your family that was at risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: That's nice of you, maybe he was too busy worrying about saving lives to find his balaclava. I wonder if you'd be so flippant if it was your family that was at risk. I am sure he had time if he had wanted, to hide his face. A balaclava can be worn like a hat and pulled down, nothing flippant about it. Edited June 27, 2020 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Police by consent in the uk Yeah i seen that in Brixton. So no other police force's in Europe can police by consent because they are armed. Are you saying policing by consent can not happen if the police are armed. ? Edited June 27, 2020 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, ordnance said: I am sure he had time if he had wanted, to hide his face. A balaclava can be worn like a hat and pulled down, nothing flippant about it. It can, but I very much doubt he walks around all day with that on his head. 1 hour ago, ordnance said: Yeah i seen that in Brixton. So no other police force's in Europe can police by consent because they are armed. Are you saying policing by consent can not happen if the police are armed. ? Most people in main land UK don't want to see police routinely armed, although we are starting to see that opinion shift towards armed officers. But until the majority of people want to see it, it won't happen, because like I said, it is enshrined in UK policing that they police by consent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted June 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 From a Sky News report. The asylum seeker, who came to the United Kingdom six months ago, had been complaining about living conditions in the hotel and was having particular difficulty with noise. I guess the promised land of milk and honey didn't live up to expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: Most people in main land UK don't want to see police routinely armed, although we are starting to see that opinion shift towards armed officers. But until the majority of people want to see it, it won't happen, because like I said, it is enshrined in UK policing that they police by consent. Just had a quick google. If that's the case then it's only the law abiding that agree, people smashing up police cars, throwing things at police horses, going out and stabbing people don't respect anything or anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 44 minutes ago, Mice! said: Just had a quick google. If that's the case then it's only the law abiding that agree, people smashing up police cars, throwing things at police horses, going out and stabbing people don't respect anything or anyone. It of course means the majority of the public, not on an individual basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 Just now, 12gauge82 said: It of course means the majority of the public, not on an individual basis. Yes I realise that, the problem is it's not the majority causing the problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mice! said: Yes I realise that, the problem is it's not the majority causing the problems. I see what your saying, the police have the law on their side to deal with it, however, despite my opinion that the general public want to see it dealt with, I believe the police are hamstrung by the deep state, especially the media who would have a field day with scenes of the riot squad smashing protesters up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) Quote Most people in main land UK don't want to see police routinely armed, although we are starting to see that opinion shift towards armed officers. But until the majority of people want to see it, it won't happen, because like I said, it is enshrined in UK policing that they police by consent. Do the police in Australia and Canada not police by consent, and they are armed. There are no practical or consent reasons for the police not to be armed just political. Quote The Peelian principles summarise the ideas that Sir Robert Peel developed to define an ethical police force. The approach expressed in these principles is commonly known as policing by consent in the United Kingdom and other countries such as Canada, Australia. Edited June 27, 2020 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 minute ago, ordnance said: Do the police in Australia and Canada not police by consent, and they are armed. There are no practical or consent reasons just political. I know very little about Australian or Canadian police, I do know however that the majority of the public in the mainland UK don't want to see routinely armed cops, which is a large part of the reason they're not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr_Nobody said: From a Sky News report. The asylum seeker, who came to the United Kingdom six months ago, had been complaining about living conditions in the hotel and was having particular difficulty with noise. I guess the promised land of milk and honey didn't live up to expectations. Hello, it was also mentioned that staff and other asylum seekers in the hotel were warned on his mental health, also could not believe the money given to the company that look after these people on a ten year contract, ! ! ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: I know very little about Australian or Canadian police, I do know however that the majority of the public in the mainland UK don't want to see routinely armed cops, which is a large part of the reason they're not. All police powers are imposed not consented by the public, policing by consent sounds good but its meaningless in reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, ordnance said: All police powers are imposed not consented by the public, policing by consent sounds good but its meaningless in reality. I give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: I give up. What i said bellow is factual not my opinion, so i can see why you give up. Quote All police powers are imposed not consented by the public, policing by consent sounds good but its meaningless in reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 Just now, ordnance said: What i said bellow is factual not my opinion, so i can see why you give up. It really isn't, but if you want to tell yourself that carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: It really isn't, but if you want to tell yourself that carry on. So police powers are not imposed by the government / parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 On 26/06/2020 at 20:44, Mice! said: That's a good point about his face, I don't want to critique any of the police, I was just surprised he and others didn't have on something saying POLICE, bad times when this is happening more and more often. I somehow think that IF you had been inside that building, you would not have cared if the Officer turned up stark naked as long as he dealt with the situation. As Ginger cat says, and like him, I have been there and done that, very often you had to wear civilian clothing but wore an armband with POLICE on it...................IF you remembered ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Westley said: I somehow think that IF you had been inside that building, you would not have cared if the Officer turned up stark naked as long as he dealt with the situation. As Ginger cat says, and like him, I have been there and done that, very often you had to wear civilian clothing but wore an armband with POLICE on it...................IF you remembered ! It wouldn't have mattered to me if he was dressed as Mr Blobby, I just thought it was odd not having something identifying him as police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, ordnance said: So police powers are not imposed by the government / parliament. Yes, however, as a police officer, the law allows them all to be armed, they're not routinely armed not due to an act of parliament, but largely due to public consent and probably most chief constables view that they do not believe it necessary, they're not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 46 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: Yes, however, as a police officer, the law allows them all to be armed, they're not routinely armed not due to an act of parliament, but largely due to public consent and probably most chief constables view that they do not believe it necessary, they're not. Yes, they might think differently if they were on the front line. Quote The senior Scotland Yard officer who locked himself in his car during the Westminster terror attack is due to retire within weeks, as pressure mounts on the police watchdog to investigate his conduct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 27, 2020 Report Share Posted June 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, ordnance said: Yes, they might think differently if they were on the front line. Absolutely. That incident was outrageous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol p Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 Badreddin abadlla adam. Yup, that’s about what I expected. Didn’t think it would be Ethel smith from Yeovil or George Cooper from Kendall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, Pistol p said: Badreddin abadlla adam. Yup, that’s about what I expected. Didn’t think it would be Ethel smith from Yeovil or George Cooper from Kendall. Ssssshhhhh, you're not allowed to tell the truth . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted June 28, 2020 Report Share Posted June 28, 2020 39 minutes ago, Pistol p said: Badreddin abadlla adam. Yup, that’s about what I expected. Didn’t think it would be Ethel smith from Yeovil or George Cooper from Kendall. Not so long ago there were 2 white British males both recently released from prison for killing pensioners. Together they abducted a young woman, tortured her then finally put her into her car before pouring petrol on her and setting her on fire. It just goes to show you don't need to be an immigrant to commit terrible crimes, but it does show that you do need to be an immigrant for the public to be outraged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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