Vince Green Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-supermarkets-most-common-places-visited-before-positive-test-latest-data-12136418 That wasn't so difficult was it? I don't believe people are sharing all the guilty secrets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spurs 14 Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 Not really a surprise is it considering the amount of people that go through a supermarket in a day touching trolleys , baskets etc picking up items , but not much you can do other than a mask and wipe down the handles , prob a bit like Russian roulette ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) The more we know about how its being transmitted the more we understand how we can modify our behavour to prevent it. All knowledge is power as they say. But I have been to the supermarket tonight, I tend to go later when the place is less crowded. Still people not wearing masks, not using hand sanitiser or keeping their distance Its not rocket science Edited November 19, 2020 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted November 19, 2020 Report Share Posted November 19, 2020 51 minutes ago, Vince Green said: I tend to go later when the place is less crowded If it is cleaned overnight the best time to go is first thing. However the data presented is almost useless. Correlation is not causation. How many people visited the supermarkets and did not get infected? I, for example, go to a supermarket on average 1.3 times per day. Go to a school 4 times per week etc. They are common places to go to regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 7 hours ago, WalkedUp said: If it is cleaned overnight That is a BIG if. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 5 hours ago, Newbie to this said: That is a BIG if. Indeed. I’m pretty sure most supermarkets have night staff, so I’m not sure when ‘deep cleaning’ could take place . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 One of the first big 'superspreader' events back in March was the Cheltenham Gold Cup, (fairly) local to me - and we had a big surge of cases in the month/6 weeks afterwards. They have been racing for TV only whilst restrictions have been in place. Looks like nothing was learned as they are intending to have the crowds back again at the first race after 2nd December https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/sport/racing/crowds-allowed-back-cheltenham-racecourse-4739478 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: One of the first big 'superspreader' events back in March was the Cheltenham Gold Cup, (fairly) local to me - and we had a big surge of cases in the month/6 weeks afterwards. They have been racing for TV only whilst restrictions have been in place. Looks like nothing was learned as they are intending to have the crowds back again at the first race after 2nd December https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/sport/racing/crowds-allowed-back-cheltenham-racecourse-4739478 How many people were at the Gold Cup? I suspect many more than 2,000 which is the max that will be allowed now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, AVB said: How many people were at the Gold Cup? I suspect many more than 2,000 which is the max that will be allowed now. Yes, it would be a lot more - but they put in a lot of extra stands, bars, catering facilities etc. I don't know what the permanent facility capacity is. It will cause a lot of feeling locally as there were a number of local (Cheltenham and area) deaths in the couple of months afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said: Yes, it would be a lot more - but they put in a lot of extra stands, bars, catering facilities etc. I don't know what the permanent facility capacity is. It will cause a lot of feeling locally as there were a number of local (Cheltenham and area) deaths in the couple of months afterwards. From what I have read there is no conclusive view as to whether the festival was the cause of covid deaths in the area. Lots of opinions both ways though. Regardless, we have to try to live with the virus and that means not closing everything down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 minute ago, AVB said: From what I have read there is no conclusive view as to whether the festival was the cause of covid deaths in the area. Lots of opinions both ways though. Regardless, we have to try to live with the virus and that means not closing everything down. I think locally there is a pretty strong view that it was the cause. A lot of people who do 'casual work' in Gold Cup week in the various hospitality venues in Cheltenham and around got ill - as then did their families. The first death locally (within a mile or so of me) was someone (not someone I knew, but I know the house) who had attended and started to get ill a few days later. I think they have been racing since with no 'on course' spectators, but TV coverage - which seems the sensible compromise. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/apr/21/experts-inquiry-cheltenham-festival-coronavirus-deaths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, JohnfromUK said: One of the first big 'superspreader' events back in March was the Cheltenham Gold Cup, (fairly) local to me - and we had a big surge of cases in the month/6 weeks afterwards. They have been racing for TV only whilst restrictions have been in place. Looks like nothing was learned as they are intending to have the crowds back again at the first race after 2nd December https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/sport/racing/crowds-allowed-back-cheltenham-racecourse-4739478 Two of the local farmers here caught it at the Cup event and both died as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 Just now, oowee said: Two of the local farmers here caught it at the Cup event and both died as a result. Which is why I'm somewhat surprised they don't just stay with TV coverage until there is a vaccine in general use (which should be only a few months with a following wind) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 minute ago, JohnfromUK said: Which is why I'm somewhat surprised they don't just stay with TV coverage until there is a vaccine in general use (which should be only a few months with a following wind) Greed surprises no one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: I think locally there is a pretty strong view that it was the cause. A lot of people who do 'casual work' in Gold Cup week in the various hospitality venues in Cheltenham and around got ill - as then did their families. The first death locally (within a mile or so of me) was someone (not someone I knew, but I know the house) who had attended and started to get ill a few days later. I think they have been racing since with no 'on course' spectators, but TV coverage - which seems the sensible compromise. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/apr/21/experts-inquiry-cheltenham-festival-coronavirus-deaths There are lots of places that have had spikes with no known cause. The same with cancer clusters. Could it have been a cause? Yes but it also might not have. That’s the issue. Until there is proof then it is just opinion. I know a number of people who went who didn’t get Covid let alone die. Did get hangovers though. The problem with continuing with draconian lockdown is that many companies won’t survive until the vaccine arrives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 Just now, JohnfromUK said: Which is why I'm somewhat surprised they don't just stay with TV coverage until there is a vaccine in general use (which should be only a few months with a following wind) Spot on. there is so much conflicting advice. I did here that they should have vaccinated over 50's by end of March. It's not so far off now. Looking to push back my shooting trip to SA by a month to May just to allow a little more time to settle stuff out. 1 minute ago, AVB said: There are lots of places that have had spikes with no known cause. The same with cancer clusters. Could it have been a cause? Yes but it also might not have. That’s the issue. Until there is proof then it is just opinion. I know a number of people who went who didn’t get Covid let alone die. Did get hangovers though. The problem with continuing with draconian lockdown is that many companies won’t survive until the vaccine arrives. Your right of course but it certainly looks like the Cheltenham races and the Liverpool Italy game were big drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted November 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 On 26/11/2020 at 19:30, oowee said: it certainly looks like the Cheltenham races and the Liverpool Italy game were big drivers. and thousands of people returning from ski trips in Northern Italy and Austria. They think now that was how it first entered the country in any significant numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 The stats are meaningless - everyone has to go to the supermarket frequently to buy food in order to live and so it’s no surprise that lots of people with Covid share that as an experience / feature. It’s like saying that everyone who got Covid was found to have gone to the toilet / brushed their teeth in the week before, ergo going to the toilet / brushing your teeth makes you catch Covid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mungler said: The stats are meaningless - everyone has to go to the supermarket frequently to buy food in order to live and so it’s no surprise that lots of people with Covid share that as an experience / feature. It’s like saying that everyone who got Covid was found to have gone to the toilet / brushed their teeth in the week before, ergo going to the toilet / brushing your teeth makes you catch Covid. I didn't have the balls to drop that in here. Glad someone known to have a pretty decent level of intelligence did! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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