discobob Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 London is to go into Tier 3 as of tomorrow night - because of a new strain of the virus they believe is causing it to run out of control. But surely the measures that we have in place should deal with this new variant (hands face space) and shouldn't be causing the spike or is it smoke and mirrors I do wonder??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 I read it that there was a spike and it happened to be a new variant. Not that the new variant was the cause of the spike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 Judging by the scenes in the shopping centres I am not really surprised there is a spike in London Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Vince Green said: Judging by the scenes in the shopping centres I am not really surprised there is a spike in London Exactly this, everyone oop north has been saying how come London with higher cases than many areas is in a lower tier, well because its London. Then everyone goes out shopping like its Christmas 2019, and boom the cases go up and up to tier 3 you go. I'm hoping for the businesses that normally make a good deal of their profits around xmas that many places move down to tier 2, the only problem is that people will probably get all excited and then we'll be back to square one again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 4 hours ago, discobob said: London is to go into Tier 3 as of tomorrow night - because of a new strain of the virus they believe is causing it to run out of control. But surely the measures that we have in place should deal with this new variant (hands face space) and shouldn't be causing the spike or is it smoke and mirrors I do wonder??? If people had responded correctly to the earlier restrictions it would be on the downward slope by now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: If people had responded correctly to the earlier restrictions it would be on the downward slope by now! might even be covid free if some fat oaf didn’t squander us being a island for a few quid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampwick Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 Not much shouting by the media about the Anti COVID restriction protests the smog gobblers had up there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: If people had responded correctly to the earlier restrictions it would be on the downward slope by now! This ^^^^^^^ Its not complicated, its very very simple really. The one thing about this pandemic is that everybody now knows about how viruses are transmitted. In a way that we never appreciated about colds and flu although it was much the same story. You could almost say we are experts. So there should be no excuses, an average of 400 plus people a day are dying, Every one of them caught it somewhere somehow n Edited December 14, 2020 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 56 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: If people had responded correctly to the earlier restrictions it would be on the downward slope by now! Conjecture!? Germany was previously held up as the European benchmark on how to manage and contain COVID, speaking to a colleague there today he reckons they have completely lost the plot with respect to how, where and what is causing the increase in infections. They go into a hard lockdown on Wednesday. I look forward to details of this supposedly new strain of COVID in London being shared, if it really is a new strain then it'll be tested and classified as such. Our government have been making it up as they go along from day one, I would not put anything past them currently. What I do find astonishing is that otherwise rational friends of mine seem to fully buy into, no questions asked, whatever the government are telling them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 I’m gutted. I had two dinners in London booked this week and next and tickets for the London Palladium pantomime (which I’ve seen for the past few years and is brilliant). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, AVB said: I’m gutted. I had two dinners in London booked this week and next and tickets for the London Palladium pantomime (which I’ve seen for the past few years and is brilliant). Its people like you that are part of the problem, necessary ? NO, Avoidable? YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vince Green Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Our government have been making it up as they go along from day one, Have they really? I don't think so, they have been doing their level best to bring order to all this chaos. And doing a pretty good job too over all. But you are obviously cleverer than them . Or think you are..................... Have you ever thought it might just be you who is making it up as you go along? Edited December 14, 2020 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 Just now, Vince Green said: Have they really? I don't think so, they have been doing their level best to bring order to all this chaos. And doing a pretty good job too over all. But you are obviously cleverer than them . Or think you are Nothing wrong with sharing different perspectives Vince and no need to get personal and try to get a bite. 1/5 for the attempt though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Nothing wrong with sharing different perspectives Vince and no need to get personal and try to get a bite. 1/5 for the attempt though. Its not me thats trying to score points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Vince Green said: Its people like you that are part of the problem, necessary ? NO, Avoidable? YES So what was we all meant to do? Stay locked up since March? I bet you’ve been doing that. If you hadn’t realised restaurants and theatres have been open. You’re the problem the economy’s crashing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, AVB said: I’m gutted. I had two dinners in London booked this week and next and tickets for the London Palladium pantomime (which I’ve seen for the past few years and is brilliant). Some will suggest that you are part of the problem, others will see you as part of the solution to getting businesses back on their feet and an attempt at a resemblance of a return to normal. FWIW I fall into the latter camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Germany was previously held up as the European benchmark on how to manage and contain COVID, speaking to a colleague there today he reckons they have completely lost the plot with respect to how, where and what is causing the increase in infections. They go into a hard lockdown on Wednesday. I didn't realise the brown had hit the fan in Germany, the only other country that seems to get reported about is the States, I saw that 3000 had died in a day last week. But I haven't gone out of my way to see what's happening in other countries. I think our gov have done ok, but have been trying to keep things open while containing the virus and it's not quite working, like London now. This was why I thought the tiers were and are a good idea, things are improving in Lancashire, how they will go if half of Lancashire goes into 2 while the other stays in 3 I've no idea, people will travel the short distance from 3 too 2. 5 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Some will suggest that you are part of the problem, others will see you as part of the solution to getting businesses back on their feet and an attempt at a resemblance of a return to normal. FWIW I fall into the latter camp. But why travel to London, why not eat locally, obviously lots of people want to go into London and now its being moved into tier 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Some will suggest that you are part of the problem, others will see you as part of the solution to getting businesses back on their feet and an attempt at a resemblance of a return to normal. FWIW I fall into the latter camp. I don’t know why they didn’t split London up as they have with Essex and Herts. The west end has relatively low rates. It’s the scummy parts of London that have higher ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 Someone said today during a discussion on this that actual deaths overall this year are running below average. So where's the spike? Are the covid deaths partially false as are some of the test results? They have certainly scared a large portion of the population with people walking around looking like they have seen a ghost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Walker570 said: Someone said today during a discussion on this that actual deaths overall this year are running below average. So where's the spike? Are the covid deaths partially false as are some of the test results? They have certainly scared a large portion of the population with people walking around looking like they have seen a ghost. They are c. 63,000 above the five year average I am afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mice! said: I didn't realise the brown had hit the fan in Germany, the only other country that seems to get reported about is the States, I saw that 3000 had died in a day last week. But I haven't gone out of my way to see what's happening in other countries. I think our gov have done ok, but have been trying to keep things open while containing the virus and it's not quite working, like London now. This was why I thought the tiers were and are a good idea, things are improving in Lancashire, how they will go if half of Lancashire goes into 2 while the other stays in 3 I've no idea, people will travel the short distance from 3 too 2. The nature of my work means that I get to speak to people from West Coast US to Japan and quite a few places in between, COVID and the B word are the opening discussions to most meetings with participants outside the UK. For the life of me I don't understand why anyone would buy into regional lock-downs unless travel between the regions is forcibly stopped. Anyone who thinks the reason the R number is increasing is because people aren't complying with guidelines but that regional lockdowns are effective is missing the point IMHO. Short, sharp national lockdowns seems to be effective but of course the fabric of UK PLC is currently in crisis. 8 minutes ago, AVB said: I don’t know why they didn’t split London up as they have with Essex and Herts. The west end has relatively low rates. It’s the scummy parts of London that have higher ones. I live in the London Borough with the highest rate apparently (Havering), definitely not the scummiest part of London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, AVB said: The west end has relatively low rates. It’s the scummy parts of London that have higher ones. I love that, one rule for the rich and another for the poor, probably the erm poorer areas people are still going to work because they have to, while in the more affluent areas people are staying home getting paid, maybe working from home. That for me is why II wouldn't be travelling into London for a meal and a show. 7 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: For the life of me I don't understand why anyone would buy into regional lock-downs unless travel between the regions is forcibly stopped. Lancs is in tier 3 while Yorkshire is in 2, in some areas like Skipton, the police have been stopping cars heading for Skipton and I have no problem with that otherwise places like Skipton will be in 3 before you know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I live in the London Borough with the highest rate apparently (Havering), definitely not the scummiest part of London. Not the scummiest I agree but Romford? Rainham? Collier Row isn’t bad if I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted December 14, 2020 Report Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, AVB said: Not the scummiest I agree but Romford? Rainham? Collier Row isn’t bad if I remember. RM 1 - North of Romford, East of Collier Row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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