New strain of CV!!!

[clangerman]

hopefully those mixing unnecessarily will only cause the death of their OWN elderly and vulnerable tomb stone for the human race will bear one word SELFISH! 

[ferguson_tom]

27 minutes ago, clangerman said:

hopefully those mixing unnecessarily will only cause the death of their OWN elderly and vulnerable tomb stone for the human race will bear one word SELFISH! 

I think its selfish when people in the financial position to lock themselves away in their ivory towers expect everyone else to do the same and they choose to completely ignore the real life effects this is having to working people and their families, especially when the worse hit are those who are already on low incomes.

Edited December 15, 2020 by ferguson_tom

[clangerman]

2 minutes ago, ferguson_tom said:

I think its selfish when people in the financial position to lock themselves away in their ivory towers expect everyone else to do the same and they choose to completely ignore the real life effects this is having to working people and their families, especially when the worse hit are those who are already on low incomes.

your right we are not all in this together or the likes of supermarkets making a fortune from covid would assist those in need i’m broke thanks to covid wiping out my income but  staying alive is more important than the bills 

[ferguson_tom]

1 hour ago, clangerman said:

your right we are not all in this together or the likes of supermarkets making a fortune from covid would assist those in need i’m broke thanks to covid wiping out my income but  staying alive is more important than the bills 

Sorry to hear that, hope your work starts up again as soon as possible.

[Raja Clavata]

Anyone got any specific details on this new strain / mutation of the virus yet?

[roadkill]

17 hours ago, AVB said:

Using the same logic how can they close part of a county or part of the U.K.? It’s either viable or it isn’t. There isn’t anything magical about London it’s just a collection of people and businesses. 

 

You do remember eat out to help out don’t you! 
 

And look where that got us!

[bluesj]

58 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Anyone got any specific details on this new strain / mutation of the virus yet?

  Proteins H69 & H70 are missing.

not a clue what that means but this is the 25th mutation found

[Mungler]

2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

Anyone got any specific details on this new strain / mutation of the virus yet?

Out of an office of 30 we have had 5 cases just over the weekend and so there is something super transmissible out there. One lady in her 60’s hasn’t been in work for 2 weeks has got it (and who certainly got it out in the world).

We have had a total of 8 diagnosed cases since March and all have been asymptomatic and picked up because the government is encouraging everyone to get tested. 

The good news is that going into January 1/3 of the workforce has had it and will be out of the firing line for a good while yet.

[Raja Clavata]

2 hours ago, bluesj said:

  Proteins H69 & H70 are missing.

not a clue what that means but this is the 25th mutation found

Thanks, got a link?

On 25th November, UCL published metrics that there were 12,706 mutations of the SARS-CoV-2 virus stating that none of those increased transmissibility.

I read somewhere that there are 29 proteins in the genome chain for COVID and likewise I don't have a scooby what it all really means 😕  

[Raja Clavata]

30 minutes ago, Mungler said:

Out of an office of 30 we have had 5 cases just over the weekend and so there is something super transmissible out there. One lady in her 60’s hasn’t been in work for 2 weeks has got it (and who certainly got it out in the world).

We have had a total of 8 diagnosed cases since March and all have been asymptomatic and picked up because the government is encouraging everyone to get tested. 

The good news is that going into January 1/3 of the workforce has had it and will be out of the firing line for a good while yet.

At first glance that sounds disproportionately high (8/30) so ~27%. I assume the positive tests from asymptomatic cases were due to needing to get tested as a result of being in contact with someone else who had tested positive?

On balance though perhaps 27% is quite low since the estimates on the range of likely percentages of those actually infected since the outbreak vary wildly.

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, Mungler said:

Out of an office of 30 we have had 5 cases just over the weekend and so there is something super transmissible out there. One lady in her 60’s hasn’t been in work for 2 weeks has got it (and who certainly got it out in the world).

I hope the office is big if there are 30 of you in there? The vast majority of officer staff here are working from home.

Is the whole office now isolating?

 

[Mice!]

13 hours ago, Mungler said:

I’ve worked out that if they’re getting it then it’s not a fault based activity ie it’s out there, it’s highly contagious and the masks we’re all buying are of no use (they are a placebo)

I would question are the masks being used right? Do they fit correctly,  I'm saying this because tonight I nipped in M&S food,  not somewhere I usually go, there was a girl at the front welcoming you, offering a cleaned basket or trolley,  I just wanted hand gel, I was only getting a couple of bits.

Went through all very nice, loads of great looking food although it seemed a little cramped, narrow isles and at least 7 or 8 staff.

It wasn't till I got outside and took my mask off in the car that the smell hit me, I thought it was perfume from the girls working in there, I had adjusted my mask whilst in the store, and that smelled but I hadn't noticed it till i removed it. 

I actually think it was the hand sanitiser,  I've binned the mask and washed my hands but I can still smell it.

Many people I see have masks that don't look like they fit, or are under their noises,  under the chin outside of the store, and judging by the colour have been worn far too long.

[AVB]

39 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

At first glance that sounds disproportionately high (8/30) so ~27%. I assume the positive tests from asymptomatic cases were due to needing to get tested as a result of being in contact with someone else who had tested positive?

On balance though perhaps 27% is quite low since the estimates on the range of likely percentages of those actually infected since the outbreak vary wildly.

What about the inaccuracies of the test? Isn’t it only 70% accurate? 

[WalkedUp]

9 hours ago, ferguson_tom said:

I think its selfish when people in the financial position to lock themselves away in their ivory towers expect everyone else to do the same and they choose to completely ignore the real life effects this is having to working people and their families, especially when the worse hit are those who are already on low incomes.

Very true. If you have to go out and work to survive what choice do you have?

[Raja Clavata]

1 minute ago, AVB said:

What about the inaccuracies of the test? Isn’t it only 70% accurate? 

I agree there certainly seems to be lots of "noise" around "accuracy", I suspect a percentage of negative results are due to an inadequate sample being taken. The sensitivity and specificity figures don't account for an inadequate sample in the first place, so overall it does seem a bit of a lottery.

FWIW I also suspect a significant proportion of so called re-infections are actually due to false positives in the first instance. My Brother and his family were convinced his missus got it in the first round, never tested but they all got confirmed infected a couple weeks back. All are OK now, they did call an ambulance for the SiL at one point but it never arrived (Rayleigh, Essex).

[Mungler]

So, in common areas people wear masks and if moving throughout the offices. We’ve also had people stay within work groups and not wander at all. We have a deep clean procedure in place morning and evening - touch points etc. We had Perspex screens installed between work stations that were not in their own enclosed offices. We had air ionising UV purifiers installed as well as automatic non touch light switches. We’ve just spent £20k having the toilets totally refurbed - non touch lights, taps and toilet flush. I have also bought a fogging machine.

I’ve worked out (and I’ve see first hand) that there’s only so much you can do and that’s not enough. It’s out there and there’s no stopping it beyond looking after yourselves - decent sleep, vitamins etc.

Oh and all the people that got tested did so out of fear - no underlying need, no signs, just did it following government  encouragement. 

 

[Mice!]

15 minutes ago, Mungler said:

So, in common areas people wear masks and if moving throughout the offices. We’ve also had people stay within work groups and not wander at all. We have a deep clean procedure in place morning and evening - touch points etc. We had Perspex screens installed between work stations that were not in their own enclosed offices. We had air ionising UV purifiers installed as well as automatic non touch light switches. We’ve just spent £20k having the toilets totally refurbed - non touch lights, taps and toilet flush. I have also bought a fogging machine.

I’ve worked out (and I’ve see first hand) that there’s only so much you can do and that’s not enough. It’s out there and there’s no stopping it beyond looking after yourselves - decent sleep, vitamins etc.

Oh and all the people that got tested did so out of fear - no underlying need, no signs, just did it following government  encouragement. 

 

Can't argue with what's been done, I'm sure there will be many people working in far from covid secure work places.

[AVB]

Like Mungler I think it’s pot luck whether you get it or not. Plenty of examples of people who have followed the rules to the letter plus some and have still got it. Others who have played loose and not. 

[Humblepie]

Thoughts for consideration

The Government in March gave its daily updates on COVID deaths which was scary, believe me I was scared.

They then showed the data for 3 weeks to flatten the curve and reduce R, then changed the data again to show positive infections, they changed the data again to cases and suggested Asymptomatic people can transmit the virus. Logically they cannot. If you have a virus in your airways, the only way you can transmit it is by coughing and sneezing. If you are coughing and sneezing and transmitting the virus you are not Asymptomatic.

Cases included anyone that had reported a possible infection, not a confirmed case. They have now raised the bar again with cases by including anyone who has a test which they are pushing strongly whether you want it or not, children in schools. The whole debacle is driven by fear. 

PCR tests are the basis of all government lockdowns, firebreaks, tiers etc but they are not designed to detect a virus that was classified as no longer a Highly Contagious Infectious Disease before the first lockdown by HMG in March. The PCR tests are flawed which has been proven time and time again by Lateral Flow Tests

Actual deaths from COVID rather than with COVID (cause of death on the death certificate) since March is 2,130 with the average age of 82. The average mortality rate without COVID is 81. HMG make us believe the COVID death toll is around 40,000 to 60,000 (depending on which propaganda news outlet you listen to) and everyone is in danger. Most people without underlying health conditions and under 75 are over 99% likely not to die from this virus. In fact the over 75’s survival rate is also in the 90% + range, very similar to Influenza.

Verified data and science has shown that the virus stopped being a risk in May and that viruses do not have a second or subsequent waves. However they have told us there was a second wave and we are expecting a third along with pushing a hurried or possibly one they made earlier, vaccine that has less than 80% success rate and does not protect you from the virus or indeed stops you transmitting it....so what is the success based on?

Meanwhile Influenza deaths during the same period of COVID this year have plummeted compared to previous years. Most years the death rate from influenza is between 290,000 - 650,000 world wide, again depending on which outlet or gov stat you look at.

All cause mortality rates are lower than previous years. If there was a pandemic on top the usual mortality rates, there would be bodies lining the streets and funeral directors unable to cope. This is not the case.

The NHS are claiming they are close to capacity, the same message they give out every year during the influenza season. HMG stress about hospital admissions and not being able to cope, protect the NHS but the figures they show do not include those that were admitted and subsequently discharged.

The Hospitality sector is hammered even though HMG stats show the proof about transmission in the hospitality sector, which is extremely low.

Masks are now the norm, when it has been proven that the masks that people are adopting do absolutely nothing other than harbour bacteria which is breathed back in. Yet the majority of people wear masks as an act of obedience or more likely fear. This is a whole other subject which I won’t go into here but should be considered.

So why would HMG deliberately crush it’s own economy in the same way that lots of other governments around the world are doing based on bad data from testing that is not fit for purpose?

I am not a conspiracy theorist or part of the tin foil hat brigade but I will leave this with you with this...

In this country, SAGE are driving the fear mongering, one of its group is a Communist Party Member and the majority of SAGE are being funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. For reality and not propaganda, turn your TV off and do some research, it’s all out there in the public domain. Also how comes Wuhan is now opened up with no social distancing, lockdown etc without a vaccine?

For info, the stats and examples I have given can all be backed up by published stats from around the world by leading scientists and HMG data. I haven’t included them as my post is long enough. If you want to see the stats I will provide them

The only reason why COVID is still a crisis in this country is because SAGE TELL YOU IT IS !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Raja Clavata]

Great post 👍

[Mungler]

👍

[ferguson_tom]

15 hours ago, bluesj said:

not a clue what that means but this is the 25th mutation found

 

funny how they didn't mention all the others, anyone would think the government are only presenting information as it suits them 🙄

 

Good post Humblepie 👍

Edited December 16, 2020 by ferguson_tom

[clangerman]

find if you proceed on the basis everything governments say is a lie your rarely disappointed 

[Raja Clavata]

https://apple.news/AZJnXx3MVQayOBW1E_rGfSg
 

[grrclark]

1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:

https://apple.news/AZJnXx3MVQayOBW1E_rGfSg
 

An interesting article.

Humblepie, you didn't answer the question that you posed at the end of your post.  If it is a great ruse and we are being fed a lot of cobblers, then why is that?

Why would numerous sources on the internet, as you advise us to search for outside of the main stream media, have all the answers yet those same answers are denied to the policy makers of the most powerful and influential nations on earth?

Why would we absolutely trash our economies on the basis of bogus information? You didn't answer other than saying SAGE, communists and Bill Gates.  So answer your own question, why are SAGE so willingly misleading everyone and why is the government destroying the economic livelihood of so many?