Brexit and Irish exports

[ferguson_tom]

We also now have the problem with second hand goods all having VAT applied on the full value so if you want to buy anything second hand from Ireland (& rest of the EU) or vice versa then its just got 20% more expensive. This will be a major issue especially for the Irish second hand car market, Ireland imported almost as many cars from the UK as they bought new and registered there, not like they can buy many right hand drive cars from France!

Edited February 4, 2021 by ferguson_tom

[TRINITY]

The only way this will sort itself out is by the Irish Republic getting some pain from all of this. The UK government must be seen to be reasonable and not the ones causing this beurocratic nightmare. When both communities start to see the EU gangsters in their true light, things will improve.

[oowee]

5 minutes ago, TRINITY said:

The only way this will sort itself out is by the Irish Republic getting some pain from all of this. The UK government must be seen to be reasonable and not the ones causing this beurocratic nightmare. When both communities start to see the EU gangsters in their true light, things will improve.

What do you suggest would be reasonable? Brexit requires a land border, so a border is surely the only reasonable way forward, in itself a very unreasonable proposition. 

[TRINITY]

There has always been a border between the two parts of Ireland. Since Irelands independence there has always been a border between them and mainland. But up till the E U they were frictionless . The UK should turn a blind eye to everything moving over these borders and let the EU be the enforcers.  

I would like to bet that its far easier for goods to pass either way from the republic direct to mainland UK , than it is to get goods int NI from UK. The Irish are nothing but hypocrites. Backing the E U on all this mess, but quite happy to exploit their rights in the common travel area agreement that they have with the UK. 

[Gav912]

On 04/02/2021 at 13:50, ferguson_tom said:

We also now have the problem with second hand goods all having VAT applied on the full value so if you want to buy anything second hand from Ireland (& rest of the EU) or vice versa then its just got 20% more expensive. This will be a major issue especially for the Irish second hand car market, Ireland imported almost as many cars from the UK as they bought new and registered there, not like they can buy many right hand drive cars from France!

It’s not just second hand things. I work for an agricultural machinery distributor, if we want to send a machine to Ireland on demonstration we have to pay 20% export VAT on it then to bring it back it’s 20% import VAT to pay. When the value of some of this kit is in excess of £100k the VAT soon adds up even if it can be reclaimed. Once things settle down it’ll be far cheaper to fly a customer here than to take kit to Ireland so as it stands now no Irish demo’s anymore. 

[oowee]

6 minutes ago, Gav912 said:

It’s not just second hand things. I work for an agricultural machinery distributor, if we want to send a machine to Ireland on demonstration we have to pay 20% export VAT on it then to bring it back it’s 20% import VAT to pay. When the value of some of this kit is in excess of £100k the VAT soon adds up even if it can be reclaimed. Once things settle down it’ll be far cheaper to fly a customer here than to take kit to Ireland so as it stands now no Irish demo’s anymore. 

Just looking at suggestions that it's also easier for British Fish to be landed directly to the EU and cut out the middleman.

[al4x]

7 hours ago, Gav912 said:

It’s not just second hand things. I work for an agricultural machinery distributor, if we want to send a machine to Ireland on demonstration we have to pay 20% export VAT on it then to bring it back it’s 20% import VAT to pay. When the value of some of this kit is in excess of £100k the VAT soon adds up even if it can be reclaimed. Once things settle down it’ll be far cheaper to fly a customer here than to take kit to Ireland so as it stands now no Irish demo’s anymore. 

Can’t you bring it back as returned goods? Based on having a customs entry done on export?

where things have got really messy in our industry is where Europeans have sent items to the uk for auction and they haven’t sold.... we have a client with a million pound violin that they sent to the uk and can’t get it back to Germany as there is no proof it was exported so in theory they need to pay the vat on import.  What we are finding is no one has a clue what is going on, even the likes of DHL can’t seem to apply the correct vat rates when items go out with the correct commodity codes.  It’s simple globally but the Eu seems to be working to obstruct rather than make things work.  

[Gav912]

42 minutes ago, al4x said:

Can’t you bring it back as returned goods? Based on having a customs entry done on export?

where things have got really messy in our industry is where Europeans have sent items to the uk for auction and they haven’t sold.... we have a client with a million pound violin that they sent to the uk and can’t get it back to Germany as there is no proof it was exported so in theory they need to pay the vat on import.  What we are finding is no one has a clue what is going on, even the likes of DHL can’t seem to apply the correct vat rates when items go out with the correct commodity codes.  It’s simple globally but the Eu seems to be working to obstruct rather than make things work.  

We are looking at ways around it but there are further issues as the machine has to be clinically clean before it’s allowed back into the U.K. by DEFRA which would take hours with some things we sell

[12gauge82]

10 hours ago, al4x said:

Can’t you bring it back as returned goods? Based on having a customs entry done on export?

where things have got really messy in our industry is where Europeans have sent items to the uk for auction and they haven’t sold.... we have a client with a million pound violin that they sent to the uk and can’t get it back to Germany as there is no proof it was exported so in theory they need to pay the vat on import.  What we are finding is no one has a clue what is going on, even the likes of DHL can’t seem to apply the correct vat rates when items go out with the correct commodity codes.  It’s simple globally but the Eu seems to be working to obstruct rather than make things work.  

Who'd have thought the EU would be difficult hey! 

[discobob]

On 06/02/2021 at 07:44, al4x said:

where things have got really messy in our industry is where Europeans have sent items to the uk for auction and they haven’t sold.... we have a client with a million pound violin that they sent to the uk and can’t get it back to Germany as there is no proof it was exported so in theory they need to pay the vat on import.  What we are finding is no one has a clue what is going on, even the likes of DHL can’t seem to apply the correct vat rates when items go out with the correct commodity codes.  It’s simple globally but the Eu seems to be working to obstruct rather than make things work.  

I can get it back to them - 5% fee - that's all - in used notes 😉🤣

[ordnance]

I don't know how anyone in the EU, UK, ROI thought a border in the Irish sea was ever going to work, and they don't seem to be looking at it with the urgency needed before its too late.  Unionists politicians have a choice to help implement the border, something that would be political suicide for any unionist politicians, or bringing down Stormont and power sharing if its not sorted soon, so much for the EU, and Irish governments talk of preserving the peace process. 

[millrace]

What would  collapsing stormount achieve   ??

[oowee]

1 hour ago, ordnance said:

I don't know how anyone in the EU, UK, ROI thought a border in the Irish sea was ever going to work, and they don't seem to be looking at it with the urgency needed before its too late.  Unionists politicians have a choice to help implement the border, something that would be political suicide for any unionist politicians, or bringing down Stormont and power sharing if its not sorted soon, so much for the EU, and Irish governments talk of preserving the peace process. 

This ^^^ in a nutshell sums up the whole process.  Put it in the too hard to think about so lets do nothing category.

 

Edited February 12, 2021 by oowee

[ordnance]

49 minutes ago, millrace said:

What would  collapsing stormount achieve   ??

Its not a matter of what it would achieve, no unionist politician or party can help or be seen to help facilitate a border in the Irish sea. Staying in Stormont and continuing power sharing would be facilitating the border in the Irish sea. The Irish government and the EU insisted on it, so maybe let them sort it out. 

Edited February 12, 2021 by ordnance

[millrace]

There in lies the problem...collapse it and the rules are set elsewhere.....we have been sold down the river and it's only just begun.....things will get much worse and expensive and I dont see anything ever being sorted in our favour.....

We are the collateral damage!!!!......

[oowee]

27 minutes ago, millrace said:

There in lies the problem...collapse it and the rules are set elsewhere.....we have been sold down the river and it's only just begun.....things will get much worse and expensive and I dont see anything ever being sorted in our favour.....

We are the collateral damage!!!!......

The UK economy and the living standards of UK citizens are all a part of the collateral damage, but it's the price of Freedom. Whatever that means. 

[ordnance]

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The UK economy and the living standards of UK citizens are all a part of the collateral damage, but it's the price of Freedom. Whatever that means. 

True, apart from a EU border between England Scotland and Wales. The people here were told it was a vote for all the UK to stay or leave the EU, not for N/I to be half in and out with a EU border between us and the rest of the UK.

Edited February 12, 2021 by ordnance

[Cannon]

It wouldn't have taken much foresight to see that there would be issues in the North of Ireland as a result of brexit. The unionist politicians have a third option ordnance. Do what's right for the people they supposedly represent instead of cutting their nose off to spite their face. We had the opportunity to significantly increase foreign investment, jobs, economic growth and prosperity etc., but it was all squandered because of the outdated morals of the dup. Unionists are running out of feet to shoot themselves in.