Topgun113 Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 morning all I recently went to the local gun shop after some pigeon extremes and they were out out of stock, instead they offered me the joker bio 34g 5s which are the same load! Just wondering if anyone else have tried these? I tried a box yesterday in a wood, They kick like a mule and seem loud but they do kill very well. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr grumpy Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 I havent tried those but i've had good results with the eley ecowads. Out of curiosity,why do you use such heavy loads on pigeon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 Are 34g 5s not for shooting pheasants from the stratosphere? Or are they a 34g 5 in steel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 16 minutes ago, Mr grumpy said: I havent tried those but i've had good results with the eley ecowads. Out of curiosity,why do you use such heavy loads on pigeon? Why not? shot size 5 = hard hitting power. 34gm = fill the pattern, due to shot size. They also cycle well in all semi autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 Overkill! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markm Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Overkill! Not such a thing. Dead is dead and shooting pigeons is vermin control. if someone wants to shoot pigeons with the cheapest of clay loads, pigeon extreme or 3” bismuth. That’s their choice..... Edited February 21, 2021 by markm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, markm said: Not such a thing. Dead is dead and shooting pigeons is vermin control. if someone wants to shoot pigeons with the cheapest of clay loads, pigeon extreme or 3” bismuth. That’s their choice..... Yep, provided it's done humanely. In this example, the OP has limited his ability to do so which as rightly said is his choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAB1954 Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 41 minutes ago, markm said: Why not? shot size 5 = hard hitting power. 34gm = fill the pattern, due to shot size. They also cycle well in all semi autos. Yes, used 34gm lead size 4 or 5 in LH barrel good hard hits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 49 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Overkill! Agreed 100%. Utterly ridiculous load for the job, and also a waste of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Overkill! With respect, I'd suggest the opposite. You'd lose your poke at some 65 yards ish but where would you lose your pattern? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, wymberley said: With respect, I'd suggest the opposite. You'd lose your poke at some 65 yards ish but where would you lose your pattern? Respect noted, we were talking about pigeons were we not? 1 hour ago, markm said: Not such a thing. Dead is dead and shooting pigeons is vermin control. if someone wants to shoot pigeons with the cheapest of clay loads, pigeon extreme or 3” bismuth. That’s their choice..... Yes it is their choice, but it is still overkill! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 Jesus when I use 6s in the spare barrel I feel like I've wasted lead on a pigeon. Each to their own I suppose. What price were they may I ask? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Respect noted, we were talking about pigeons were we not? Yes it is their choice, but it is still overkill! Yep, at least we were the last time I looked. "but where would you lose your pattern?" How say you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 50 to 55yds with my 6s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 I could use .375 H&H Magnum 270 grain to shoot Muntjac. But at nearly 4,500 ft lb and £5/round that would be ridiculous as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: 50 to 55yds with my 6s. Thanks for setting me up! we were talking about pigeons 5s were we not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 minute ago, wymberley said: Thanks for setting me up! we were talking about pigeons 5s were we not? And I use 6s with the occasional heavy load of 5 s from Proper Cartridges, but they are OVERKILL! 16 minutes ago, wymberley said: Yep, at least we were the last time I looked. "but where would you lose your pattern?" How say you? And I answered YOUR question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr grumpy Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, wymberley said: With respect, I'd suggest the opposite. You'd lose your poke at some 65 yards ish but where would you lose your pattern? It would have been polite to let the op to have replied to my question. Personally i would agree that it is overkill,particularly for what sound like it could be roost shooting. However it's always nice to hear other peoples thoughts. Also out of curiosity.markm,have teeth rattled loose using those loads?😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 32 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: And I use 6s with the occasional heavy load of 5 s from Proper Cartridges, but they are OVERKILL! And I answered YOUR question! OK, let's put this to bed and assume that we're still talking No 5s as we were. Where would you lose your pattern and why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mr grumpy said: It would have been polite to let the op to have replied to my question. Personally i would agree that it is overkill,particularly for what sound like it could be roost shooting. However it's always nice to hear other peoples thoughts. Also out of curiosity.markm,have teeth rattled loose using those loads?😉 There is absolutely no reason at all why Topgun113 should not reply. For clarity, I will just point out that the only post that I have replied to is that from TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 Hi topgun113 I’ve never fired these cartridges. I would say if they have a heavy recoil it will put you of your shooting, if they are loud they will move any birds from the woods or nearby fields. You may be better with a cartridge with less recoil if you will be firing a lot of shots. If you have friends or family that shoot you could ask them for a few of their cartridges to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topgun113 Posted February 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 Just for clarification I wasnt asking anyone if it was an overkill etc, not that I have to justify myself but I think pigeon extremes are the best cartridge on the market and these were used for flighting in a tall wood and I was nothing but impressed with the way they performed, and I wouldn't be put off using for decoying either, I got fed up with the likes of clear pigeons pricking too many! So at £65 a slab I thought I would try them, I was simply just asking if any haD also used them? cheers top gun113 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 57 minutes ago, Topgun113 said: Just for clarification I wasnt asking anyone if it was an overkill etc, not that I have to justify myself but I think pigeon extremes are the best cartridge on the market and these were used for flighting in a tall wood and I was nothing but impressed with the way they performed, and I wouldn't be put off using for decoying either, I got fed up with the likes of clear pigeons pricking too many! So at £65 a slab I thought I would try them, I was simply just asking if any haD also used them? cheers top gun113 £65 a slab, that's cheap compared to some. Cheaper than the pigeon express I bought about 3 years ago (think they were £70). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAB1954 Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Topgun113 said: Just for clarification I wasnt asking anyone if it was an overkill etc, not that I have to justify myself but I think pigeon extremes are the best cartridge on the market and these were used for flighting in a tall wood and I was nothing but impressed with the way they performed, and I wouldn't be put off using for decoying either, I got fed up with the likes of clear pigeons pricking too many! So at £65 a slab I thought I would try them, I was simply just asking if any haD also used them? cheers top gun113 Well said, good on you. Enjoy your shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topgun113 Posted February 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, MAB1954 said: Well said, good on you. Enjoy your shooting. Thanks mate, and yourself, hope you are finding a few 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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