Covid - it’s all over.

[ordnance]

6 hours ago, loriusgarrulus said:

Despite being classed as vulnerable and advised to stay home I was just more careful through it all and still went shopping and out with the dogs. I wear a decent reusable face mask with replaceable hepa filters for shopping and will continue to do so. I haven't gone to cinemas or crowded  pubs for years anyway. My main entertainment is the countryside and outdoors where a mask is not needed. Hand cleaning is sensible anyway especially if you are eating out.

Not that easy at work.

[ordnance]

18 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Some people don't want it to be over. 

 

Like who for example ? 

[Scully]

34 minutes ago, ordnance said:

Not that easy at work.

Depends what you do for work really. If you can’t work from home then there are precautions available like there has been throughout. 

[ordnance]

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The worried well will never get over the whole Covid thing and they are free to crack on wetting their beds and nailing their front doors shut - no one is stopping them.

Everyone i know is getting on with it, must be different where you live. I don't recognise your description of people  ( wetting their beds and nailing their front doors shut )

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, ordnance said:

Everyone i know is getting on with it, must be different where you live. I don't recognise your description of people  ( wetting their beds and nailing their front doors shut )

Same around here - life pretty much normal.  Mask use in shops/places where it is asked for.

[Walker570]

Hurrah!!   BUT we will still have a bunch of very scared folks and I do feel sorry for them because they have been brain washed by scare tactics from both Government and media. It will take a long time for them to come out of their shells.

Masks are a waste of time, just a comfort blanket really. I saw someone today alone in a car driving down the road wearing a mask.    Get on and enjoy your lieves folks it aint a rehearsal and you can take it from me the older you get the time goes faster. particularly if your enjoying yourself, so don't waste a minute.

[ordnance]

2 minutes ago, Scully said:

Depends what you do for work really. If you can’t work from home then there are precautions available like there has been throughout. 

It depends a lot on where and what you work at, for some even those who are clinically extremely vulnerable there is no choice but go to work. Soon they will have to contend with people that know they are infected coming into work no social and distancing in the workplace.  

[JohnfromUK]

19 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

Masks are a waste of time, just a comfort blanket really.

Nevertheless - if the premises (shop, meeting, NT property, transport, whatever) requests it - then I will comply.

[Scully]

19 minutes ago, ordnance said:

It depends a lot on where and what you work at, for some even those who are clinically extremely vulnerable there is no choice but go to work. Soon they will have to contend with people that know they are infected coming into work no social and distancing in the workplace.  

That’s what I said; it depends what you do for work. 
Yes, those whom are clinically vulnerable will as you say, now have to contend with infected people coming to work just as they did before the pandemic, during the flu season, when there was no social distancing or any of the other precautions we have just gone through. 
We can’t keep imposing restrictions on the vast majority of the population for what is now basically just a bad cold. 
The clinically vulnerable will always be clinically vulnerable unfortunately. 
 

[Jim Neal]

8 hours ago, Scully said:

Already there are people with symptoms not testing because they aren’t being paid to stay at home. People will be getting cold symptoms and not bothering to test, and giving it to other people, just like we do with colds. 

I started feeling a bit peaky on Monday evening.  The usual thing you get when your throat feels a bit swollen, you feel a bit shivery etc like you know you're going to wake up with a cold in the morning.  Sure enough, woke up feeling like I'd got a cold.

Exactly as you say, if this was 2 years ago I'd have necked some paracetomol, orange juice and vitamins and just got on with my day.  I was convinced it was just a cold but did a LF anyway.  I nearly fell out of bed when it came up positive!  I've had a very slight feeling of having a cold for a few days and feel absolutely 100% right now.

Although dubious, I was convinced by a family member that I could claim the £500 grant from my local council so I went through a day of absolute HELL navigating the NHS test & trace system (which up until now I've avoided because I'm allergic to the big brother, nanny state kind of vibe around it).  Went for my PCR, finally got the NHS account/app/test result sorted and applied for the money.  REJECTED.

🤬🤬🤬🤬

I instantly deleted the app and my NHS account of course.  I had a little chuckle to myself this afternoon though: whilst I was self-isolating in the woods shooting pigeons I got a text from the NHS thanking me for staying at home 😅

On Friday last week I spent the entire day with my Mum, at my Dad's bedside in hospital where he's been since Dec 22nd.  I returned a negative LF shortly before.  Even though visiting isn't allowed at the moment they called us in for an "end of life visit" he was looking that bad (thankfully they seem to have pulled him back, for now).  I went pigeon shooting on the Saturday with a mate who rode in the car with me.  Then Mum came round for dinner on Saturday night, along with my Sister.  Mum came for dinner again on Sunday.

My other half, my son, Mum, Sister and shooting buddy - and most importantly Dad in hospital - have all consistently tested negative since, none of them have had it.  And this is supposed to be a highly contagious virus!

I'm literally only concerned about my Dad, otherwise I'd just be cracking on as if nothing was happening, but it'll kill him off if he gets covid, he's already got one foot in the mortuary and I'd like him to get out of hospital before he finally pops his clogs.

[drut]

My wife(COPD) & myself(cancer) are classed as "vulnerable". My take the restrictions(& misuse) imposed by Covid,i.e. nearly impossible to see a GP face to face within a reasonable time & delayed/postponed Hospital procedures are as much a threat as Covid.

[Mungler]

42 minutes ago, drut said:

My wife(COPD) & myself(cancer) are classed as "vulnerable". My take the restrictions(& misuse) imposed by Covid,i.e. nearly impossible to see a GP face to face within a reasonable time & delayed/postponed Hospital procedures are as much a threat as Covid.

This is where the real effect of covid will take effect.

Good luck with it squire.

 

[ordnance]

35 minutes ago, drut said:

My wife(COPD) & myself(cancer) are classed as "vulnerable". My take the restrictions(& misuse) imposed by Covid,i.e. nearly impossible to see a GP face to face within a reasonable time & delayed/postponed Hospital procedures are as much a threat as Covid.

Its not all about getting Covid its also other issues as you describe, as a result of Covid and the pressures on the NHS. If Covid disappeared tomorrow the health services will be dealing the aftermath for decades. Covid doesn't just kill it is leaving people with lifelong chronic illness. 

[ordnance]

1 hour ago, Scully said:

That’s what I said; it depends what you do for work. 
Yes, those whom are clinically vulnerable will as you say, now have to contend with infected people coming to work just as they did before the pandemic, during the flu season, when there was no social distancing or any of the other precautions we have just gone through. 
We can’t keep imposing restrictions on the vast majority of the population for what is now basically just a bad cold. 
The clinically vulnerable will always be clinically vulnerable unfortunately. 
 

There are still people in ICU and dying with this ( bad cold ) unlike Covid the flu is sessional and only a concern for a few months of the year.  

[ordnance]

As for the question is Covid over. What some experts are saying, i do release they would not be in the same league as some internet forum experts. 

A future variant of Covid-19 could be much more dangerous and cause far higher numbers of deaths and cases of serious illness than Omicron, leading UK scientists have warned. 

The dangers posed by accepting the widespread assumption that Covid-19 variants would continue to get milder in their impact was highlighted by epidemiologist Prof Mark Woolhouse, of Edinburgh University.

“The Omicron variant did not come from the Delta variant. It came from a completely different part of the virus’s family tree. And since we don’t know where in the virus’s family tree a new variant is going to come from, we cannot know how pathogenic it might be. It could be less pathogenic but it could, just as easily, be more pathogenic,” he said.This point was backed by virologist Prof Lawrence Young of Warwick University. “People seem to think there has been a linear evolution of the virus from Alpha to Beta to Delta to Omicron,” he told the Observer. “But that is simply not the case. The idea that virus variants will continue to get milder is wrong. A new one could turn out to be even more pathogenic than the Delta variant, for example.”

Edited February 12, 2022 by ordnance

[Scully]

7 minutes ago, ordnance said:

There are still people in ICU and dying with this ( bad cold ) unlike Covid the flu is sessional and only a concern for a few months of the year.  

Yes, I know, and it’s a sad fact of life that there always will be. It’s also a hard fact that those numbers are but a small fraction of what even in the heart of the pandemic was a small fraction of the population. What would you have us do? 

1 minute ago, ordnance said:

As for the question is Covid over. What some experts are saying, i do release they would not be in the same league as some internet forum experts. 

A future variant of Covid-19 could be much more dangerous and cause far higher numbers of deaths and cases of serious illness than Omicron, leading UK scientists have warned. 

The dangers posed by accepting the widespread assumption that Covid-19 variants would continue to get milder in their impact was highlighted by epidemiologist Prof Mark Woolhouse, of Edinburgh University.

“The Omicron variant did not come from the Delta variant. It came from a completely different part of the virus’s family tree. And since we don’t know where in the virus’s family tree a new variant is going to come from, we cannot know how pathogenic it might be. It could be less pathogenic but it could, just as easily, be more pathogenic,” he said.This point was backed by virologist Prof Lawrence Young of Warwick University. “People seem to think there has been a linear evolution of the virus from Alpha to Beta to Delta to Omicron,” he told the Observer. “But that is simply not the case. The idea that virus variants will continue to get milder is wrong. A new one could turn out to be even more pathogenic than the Delta variant, for example.”

I said as much in a post prior to Christmas, after listening to a leading virologist on the radio.
So we live the rest of our lives on the basis of ‘what if?’ Again, what do you suggest we do? 

[ordnance]

2 minutes ago, Scully said:

Yes, I know, and it’s a sad fact of life that there always will be. It’s also a hard fact that those numbers are but a small fraction of what even in the heart of the pandemic was a small fraction of the population. What would you have us do? 

It could be that things will not go back to the way they were. If i believed that Boris was lifting the restrictions because he thought it was the right / sensible thing to do OK, but its obviously his reasons are more about self preservation. But at the end of the day i don't care what the government says or does, I will decide what i need to do to try and keep myself and family safe. 

[Scully]

2 hours ago, Jim Neal said:

I started feeling a bit peaky on Monday evening.  The usual thing you get when your throat feels a bit swollen, you feel a bit shivery etc like you know you're going to wake up with a cold in the morning.  Sure enough, woke up feeling like I'd got a cold.

Exactly as you say, if this was 2 years ago I'd have necked some paracetomol, orange juice and vitamins and just got on with my day.  I was convinced it was just a cold but did a LF anyway.  I nearly fell out of bed when it came up positive!  I've had a very slight feeling of having a cold for a few days and feel absolutely 100% right now.

Although dubious, I was convinced by a family member that I could claim the £500 grant from my local council so I went through a day of absolute HELL navigating the NHS test & trace system (which up until now I've avoided because I'm allergic to the big brother, nanny state kind of vibe around it).  Went for my PCR, finally got the NHS account/app/test result sorted and applied for the money.  REJECTED.

🤬🤬🤬🤬

I instantly deleted the app and my NHS account of course.  I had a little chuckle to myself this afternoon though: whilst I was self-isolating in the woods shooting pigeons I got a text from the NHS thanking me for staying at home 😅

On Friday last week I spent the entire day with my Mum, at my Dad's bedside in hospital where he's been since Dec 22nd.  I returned a negative LF shortly before.  Even though visiting isn't allowed at the moment they called us in for an "end of life visit" he was looking that bad (thankfully they seem to have pulled him back, for now).  I went pigeon shooting on the Saturday with a mate who rode in the car with me.  Then Mum came round for dinner on Saturday night, along with my Sister.  Mum came for dinner again on Sunday.

My other half, my son, Mum, Sister and shooting buddy - and most importantly Dad in hospital - have all consistently tested negative since, none of them have had it.  And this is supposed to be a highly contagious virus!

I'm literally only concerned about my Dad, otherwise I'd just be cracking on as if nothing was happening, but it'll kill him off if he gets covid, he's already got one foot in the mortuary and I'd like him to get out of hospital before he finally pops his clogs.

Good for you. I never had the app, and persistently ignored all texts and attempted calls to enquire of my whereabouts and whom I had had contact with when my PCR proved positive, and despite leaving my phone at home when walking the dog, it was the extent of my isolation due to an other half who insists on doing everything by the book…..up until she got it! 
My OH, who has as I’ve said, done everything by the book, including downloading the app, deleted it on being bombarded by telephone calls and enquiries of the same as me after a positive PCR test! 
During all this, her mother was taken into hospital to undergo open heart surgery following a heart attack on the 23 Dec. She also had her Dad to cater for despite her having covid, who due to a historical head injury, had forgotten she had it each time she called round! 😀

No easy times for any of us it would seem, and having been in very similar circumstances as you are now, I genuinely wish you and yours the best and for better times ahead. 

[Scully]

51 minutes ago, ordnance said:

It could be that things will not go back to the way they were. If i believed that Boris was lifting the restrictions because he thought it was the right / sensible thing to do OK, but its obviously his reasons are more about self preservation. But at the end of the day i don't care what the government says or does, I will decide what i need to do to try and keep myself and family safe. 

Given the current statistics which even the BBC can’t ignore, I believe it’s time we got back to normal; I don’t care what the government says or does either. 
I too will decide what I need to do to keep my family and myself safe. 
You haven’t answered my question; as you clearly believe the restrictions are being lifted too soon, what would you have us do, and when would you lift restrictions? 

[Jim Neal]

46 minutes ago, Scully said:

No easy times for any of us it would seem, and having been in very similar circumstances as you are now, I genuinely wish you and yours the best and for better times ahead. 

Thank you mate, you too 👍

Edited February 12, 2022 by Jim Neal

[ordnance]

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You haven’t answered my question; as you clearly believe the restrictions are being lifted too soon, what would you have us do, and when would you lift restrictions?

When the hosiptlashions, infections, ICUs were not as high in stages, they don't all need lifted at once.  Boris is doing it for political reasons and concerns for his own neck, not UK citizens. 

Edited February 12, 2022 by ordnance

[Scully]

9 hours ago, ordnance said:

When the hosiptlashions, infections, ICUs were not as high in stages, they don't all need lifted at once.  Boris is doing it for political reasons and concerns for his own neck, not UK citizens. 

Well, that’s just your opinion really, we had to call it a day sometime. 

[Mungler]

20 hours ago, ordnance said:

As for the question is Covid over. What some experts are saying, i do release they would not be in the same league as some internet forum experts. 

A future variant of Covid-19 could be much more dangerous and cause far higher numbers of deaths and cases of serious illness than Omicron, leading UK scientists have warned. 

The dangers posed by accepting the widespread assumption that Covid-19 variants would continue to get milder in their impact was highlighted by epidemiologist Prof Mark Woolhouse, of Edinburgh University.

“The Omicron variant did not come from the Delta variant. It came from a completely different part of the virus’s family tree. And since we don’t know where in the virus’s family tree a new variant is going to come from, we cannot know how pathogenic it might be. It could be less pathogenic but it could, just as easily, be more pathogenic,” he said.This point was backed by virologist Prof Lawrence Young of Warwick University. “People seem to think there has been a linear evolution of the virus from Alpha to Beta to Delta to Omicron,” he told the Observer. “But that is simply not the case. The idea that virus variants will continue to get milder is wrong. A new one could turn out to be even more pathogenic than the Delta variant, for example.”

But the internet experts have actually done better than the experts 😆

The experts predicted 6000 dead a day with Omicron and urged a winter lockdown. Not just a little bit wrong but a lot wrong.

If you can’t see the stats justify the lifting of restrictions (and this is trickling through the world now) then you need better glasses. You are free to crack on disinfecting your shopping and nailing your front door shut, but you can’t seriously expect everyone else to join in with you. 
 

[team tractor]

21 hours ago, Jim Neal said:

I started feeling a bit peaky on Monday evening.  The usual thing you get when your throat feels a bit swollen, you feel a bit shivery etc like you know you're going to wake up with a cold in the morning.  Sure enough, woke up feeling like I'd got a cold.

Exactly as you say, if this was 2 years ago I'd have necked some paracetomol, orange juice and vitamins and just got on with my day.  I was convinced it was just a cold but did a LF anyway.  I nearly fell out of bed when it came up positive!  I've had a very slight feeling of having a cold for a few days and feel absolutely 100% right now.

Although dubious, I was convinced by a family member that I could claim the £500 grant from my local council so I went through a day of absolute HELL navigating the NHS test & trace system (which up until now I've avoided because I'm allergic to the big brother, nanny state kind of vibe around it).  Went for my PCR, finally got the NHS account/app/test result sorted and applied for the money.  REJECTED.

🤬🤬🤬🤬

I instantly deleted the app and my NHS account of course.  I had a little chuckle to myself this afternoon though: whilst I was self-isolating in the woods shooting pigeons I got a text from the NHS thanking me for staying at home 😅

On Friday last week I spent the entire day with my Mum, at my Dad's bedside in hospital where he's been since Dec 22nd.  I returned a negative LF shortly before.  Even though visiting isn't allowed at the moment they called us in for an "end of life visit" he was looking that bad (thankfully they seem to have pulled him back, for now).  I went pigeon shooting on the Saturday with a mate who rode in the car with me.  Then Mum came round for dinner on Saturday night, along with my Sister.  Mum came for dinner again on Sunday.

My other half, my son, Mum, Sister and shooting buddy - and most importantly Dad in hospital - have all consistently tested negative since, none of them have had it.  And this is supposed to be a highly contagious virus!

I'm literally only concerned about my Dad, otherwise I'd just be cracking on as if nothing was happening, but it'll kill him off if he gets covid, he's already got one foot in the mortuary and I'd like him to get out of hospital before he finally pops his clogs.

I applied 5 days ago and have heard nothing yet .

tbh I struggle to see a day of hell with the app . It took me 30 minutes and it’s not like I was busy anyway being isolated. 
 

I managed to wash my van , clean the house , make a dog kennel , paint the fences , paint my kitchen 😂. 
If I’d of gone to work and my lads had fell ill I’d of found myself in court. 

[ordnance]

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Mungler.  If you can’t see the stats justify the lifting of restrictions (and this is trickling through the world now) then you need better glasses. You are free to crack on disinfecting your shopping and nailing your front door shut, but you can’t seriously expect everyone else to join in with you

. You don't know my circumstances what precautions i take or don't take regarding Covid. So don't be a smart *** suggesting you do. 

Edited February 13, 2022 by ordnance