Domestic Energy Prices

[enfieldspares]

On 02/08/2022 at 13:43, Rewulf said:

Should make a good speech for Sunak, but would sound far better in a male German voice.

'Many will die, but this is necessary to meet our carbon targets, you would probably have died soon anyway, but take comfort in the truth that you will leave behind a cleaner Europe.
Rejoice in this, that we could have given out more free money to heat and light your homes, but we spent it all on subsidising industry during covid , in which not enough of you died, so you also leave behind a stronger economy.
Be good citizens , and leave your houses and estate, to the state , and we can use that to house more 3rd world migrants, and give generous bribes to various oligarchs.
Remember , your sacrifice today , will benefit the one world government tomorrow.
One world , where you will own nothing, and be happy'

And "We'll get the plebs off the road and back onto buses and bikes. So they know their place. They'll be priced out by the need for electric cars and the associated charging points which even if they can afford them and the cost of charging them they still won't be able to be accommodated in the high rose tower blocks or terraced houses in which they dwell. But we'll dress it up as a "green initiative" and they'll swallow it all whole." Needs to be said in a Johnson/Rees-Mogg/Carrie Antoinette voice.

Edited August 3, 2022 by enfieldspares

[Rewulf]

6 hours ago, Luckyshot said:

Those figures are what I’m paid in benefits each month. So average month to pay mortgage and all bills I get £300 a month to cover everything. As I own my home (mortgage) I don’t qualify for housing benefit so the £300 has to pay everything.

Like I've said context, are you still working in some capacity, do you have savings {I think it's over £15000}? 

If that's all you're getting in net income, and you don't have savings, then they've calculated you wrong, as if you can't pay your mortgage, pretty soon you'll be homeless. 

[Luckyshot]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Like I've said context, are you still working in some capacity, do you have savings {I think it's over £15000}? 

If that's all you're getting in net income, and you don't have savings, then they've calculated you wrong, as if you can't pay your mortgage, pretty soon you'll be homeless. 

I’ve got £6000 in premium bonds which I’ve saved to pay off my mortgage, I do have a job but been on long term sick due to an industrial accident. Don’t get me wrong I can pay all my bills on what I get, but it isn’t a life of luxury like a lot of people on here keep banging on about.

[JohnfromUK]

12 minutes ago, Luckyshot said:

I do have a job but been on long term sick due to an industrial accident.

Which is exactly why we need a decent benefits system for such cases.  I am 100% in favour of the state supporting those who are ill, disabled, injured etc.  But NOT those who are just plain bone idle.

The whole system is spoiled for all including the genuine claimants who have suffered accident, injury, or have genuine disabilities - by those who exploit the system as a 'lifestyle choice'.

For example - locally there was a case of a large (I think about 9 children) family who were costing the local authority a fortune as they had two houses knocked together to accommodate them, a people carrier was provided for them, they managed a foreign holiday every year, lots of takeaways, the daughters had a pony and they paid stabling/livery, they all had mobile phones, computer games etc ..... all paid for by the state in it's various forms.  There were many allegations (from people who claimed to be 'in the know') of false declarations and I can't remember all of the details - but the jist of it was that it was a nice lifestyle and 'they had done nothing wrong'.  Simply taken the handouts that 'were available' and to which they were entitled.

[Luckyshot]

5 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Which is exactly why we need a decent benefits system for such cases.  I am 100% in favour of the state supporting those who are ill, disabled, injured etc.  But NOT those who are just plain bone idle.

The whole system is spoiled for all including the genuine claimants who have suffered accident, injury, or have genuine disabilities - by those who exploit the system as a 'lifestyle choice'.

For example - locally there was a case of a large (I think about 9 children) family who were costing the local authority a fortune as they had two houses knocked together to accommodate them, a people carrier was provided for them, they managed a foreign holiday every year, lots of takeaways, the daughters had a pony and they paid stabling/livery, they all had mobile phones, computer games etc ..... all paid for by the state in it's various forms.  There were many allegations (from people who claimed to be 'in the know') of false declarations and I can't remember all of the details - but the jist of it was that it was a nice lifestyle and 'they had done nothing wrong'.  Simply taken the handouts that 'were available' and to which they were entitled.

Yes if you have kids you get far too much help to the point you are worse off working. If you are a single person you get the bare minimum, lucky for me my mortgage is only £120 a month otherwise I would be struggling. Hopefully back to work soon and all will be good.

[JohnfromUK]

8 minutes ago, Luckyshot said:

Yes if you have kids you get far too much help to the point you are worse off working. If you are a single person you get the bare minimum, lucky for me my mortgage is only £120 a month otherwise I would be struggling. Hopefully back to work soon and all will be good.

I hope that you can get back to work soon and you get a position suitable to get back to full health 

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, Luckyshot said:

I’ve got £6000 in premium bonds which I’ve saved to pay off my mortgage, I do have a job but been on long term sick due to an industrial accident. Don’t get me wrong I can pay all my bills on what I get, but it isn’t a life of luxury like a lot of people on here keep banging on about.

Sorry to hear that, and I hope you get sorted soon.

 

57 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Which is exactly why we need a decent benefits system for such cases.  I am 100% in favour of the state supporting those who are ill, disabled, injured etc.  But NOT those who are just plain bone idle.

Exactly , the only issue with sorting out the shirkers from the genuine , is the fear of offending someone, and risking a discrimination case.
Its easier just to pay them.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

Exactly , the only issue with sorting out the shirkers from the genuine , is the fear of offending someone, and risking a discrimination case.
Its easier just to pay them.

With OUR tax money!

[mel b3]

3 hours ago, Luckyshot said:

I’ve got £6000 in premium bonds which I’ve saved to pay off my mortgage, I do have a job but been on long term sick due to an industrial accident. Don’t get me wrong I can pay all my bills on what I get, but it isn’t a life of luxury like a lot of people on here keep banging on about.

As you've had an industrial accident , are you likely to receive some kind of compensation?. If you are , that compensation should cover your loss of wages . I know that it might not help right now , but it will make things easier in the future. 

Something that should be noted , is that if you were unemployed , and living in a rented property,  you would have an extra few hundred pounds every month.

[old man]

19 hours ago, moondoggy said:

Better make it a large bag. I have seen on the tv that we are going to have electricity rationing later in the year.

Not for the upper echelons, their sun always shines?

[TOPGUN749]

21 hours ago, Dougy said:

And to make matters worse they keep on pushing back the years for state pension, this years they have added another 12 moths on mine, how can you plan to retire when they keep doing that. Im now being forced to work another 12 months before i retire, but i suppose i could always retire early and claim a load of benefits........................... BUT oh no i cant claim a penny because i have savings !!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

One of the few benefits available with unlimited savings is working tax credits.My brother deliberately works only 18 hours a week and claims the top up for him and his wife,even though they own their home and have £100,000+ savings.Being on tax credits then means they get the maximum cash handouts from governments like the £650 for being on “low income”.Even got a full new central heating installation free of charge.With a benefit like that available why work full time and pay taxes?

[Luckyshot]

6 hours ago, mel b3 said:

As you've had an industrial accident , are you likely to receive some kind of compensation?. If you are , that compensation should cover your loss of wages . I know that it might not help right now , but it will make things easier in the future. 

Something that should be noted , is that if you were unemployed , and living in a rented property,  you would have an extra few hundred pounds every month.

Yes if i was in a rental property i would have recieved housing benefits of £89 per week, as i own my home [mortgage] you get nothing. I will get compensation when i go back to work but not sure as to how much.

[mel b3]

18 minutes ago, Luckyshot said:

Yes if i was in a rental property i would have recieved housing benefits of £89 per week, as i own my home [mortgage] you get nothing. I will get compensation when i go back to work but not sure as to how much.

Then the main problem is that you're working (employed) . If you'd have been on the dole ( and had your rent paid) , you'd have been on easy Street.

Your financial problem is also just a temporary one . You have very little money at the moment ( due to no fault of your own I assume),  but the wages that you have lost , will be replaced at a future date, via your compensation claim.

This is going to sound really condescending,  but it honestly isn't meant that way mate. Your situation is a perfect example of why you need to plan ahead , and have money saved , for lifes nasty little surprises. 

I sincerely hope that you're soon back to fighting strength,  and back to work mate 👍.

[Lloyd90]

1 hour ago, mel b3 said:

Then the main problem is that you're working (employed) . If you'd have been on the dole ( and had your rent paid) , you'd have been on easy Street.

Your financial problem is also just a temporary one . You have very little money at the moment ( due to no fault of your own I assume),  but the wages that you have lost , will be replaced at a future date, via your compensation claim.

This is going to sound really condescending,  but it honestly isn't meant that way mate. Your situation is a perfect example of why you need to plan ahead , and have money saved , for lifes nasty little surprises. 

I sincerely hope that you're soon back to fighting strength,  and back to work mate 👍.

I think your right Mel 👍🏻
 

Whilst it’s alright for some to moan “if he was renting he would get it all free” but the poster is in a much better position as he has a significant asset owning his own home. 
 

People moaning about these benefit claimants, they don’t get to own the property. 
 

In my local authority one family with 6 kids and a huge house had all the kids taken into the system. 
 

We subsequently linked up with the housing department and advised that they don’t need a 7 bed house as they don’t have 6 kids in their care. 
 

They were very annoyed when moved from their massive town house to a 1 bedroom bedsit. 
 

Some will say it’s harsh but there are genuine needy out there who need those properties.