bottletopbill Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 a nine year old shot in liverpool we should all demand tougher sentences for gun crime and bring back hanging. We have got to show these guns are mostly illegal and not legally held. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 Hello, once again it's very sad as the other young girl stabbed to death , until the police give more info it will be only speculation on the circumstances of the latest crime in Liverpool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobba Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 39 minutes ago, bottletopbill said: a nine year old shot in liverpool we should all demand tougher sentences for gun crime and bring back hanging. We have got to show these guns are mostly illegal and not legally held. Who are “we”? What do you propose “we” should do? Are you going to take the lead in taking those proposals forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottletopbill Posted August 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 All the shooting organisations should be speaking up about gun crime on behalf of there members. Such a waste of a life but as stated we do not know the circumstances' yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 I recently, on another post, pointed out that in Merseyside and surrounding areas we have a shooting almost daily. I can fully understand why Armed Response Officers act in the way they do, when investigating reports of someone shooting on the urban fringe. These shootings are accompanying the daily stabbings too, don't forget them. Experience taught me that hot weather does pickle what little brains these offenders possess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 As you say @bottletopbill What a tragedy to happen for such a young life to be lost. her family must be devastated. 4 minutes ago, bottletopbill said: All the shooting organisations should be speaking up about gun crime on behalf of there members. Such a waste of a life but as stated we do not know the circumstances' yet. Firstly we don't know the gun wasn't legally held. It probably wasn't, but if Basc et al. go to town on promoting the interests of gun owners by saying how responsible legally holding owners are and it turns out this one was too, things are made ten times worse. There have been high profile incidents of late where the guns were legally held. A concerted effort unites responsible cert holders with the dangerous cert holders. Secondly, no organisation should be making political hay out of this. Put yourselves in the family's shoes. Would you as a non gun owner want to wake up to hear organisations going around saying lots of guns are fine? It's a PR disaster. We see this time and again in the US. There's a mass shooting and immediately the NRA goes full broadside defending guns and they look crass and insensitive. A crime's a crime. For the shooting community to come out and say there's no connection between a gun crime and a legal gun just like there's no connection between a knife crime and cutting a roast, is a guaranteed way to make a connection and all too quickly shooting organisations lose the control of the debate. BASC, The NGO and so on have no interest and no business in talking about handgun crime and shouldn't be drawn into a debate on it. If the gun turns out to be a legally held firearm, then that is where they should be getting involved but will have to tread so carefully to avoid the PR disaster that is the NRA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottletopbill Posted August 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) God I hope it was not a licensed gun but the murder rate is getting worse by the week. R I P Edited August 23, 2022 by bottletopbill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 4 hours ago, chrisjpainter said: As you say @bottletopbill What a tragedy to happen for such a young life to be lost. her family must be devastated. Firstly we don't know the gun wasn't legally held. It probably wasn't, but if Basc et al. go to town on promoting the interests of gun owners by saying how responsible legally holding owners are and it turns out this one was too, things are made ten times worse. There have been high profile incidents of late where the guns were legally held. A concerted effort unites responsible cert holders with the dangerous cert holders. Secondly, no organisation should be making political hay out of this. Put yourselves in the family's shoes. Would you as a non gun owner want to wake up to hear organisations going around saying lots of guns are fine? It's a PR disaster. We see this time and again in the US. There's a mass shooting and immediately the NRA goes full broadside defending guns and they look crass and insensitive. A crime's a crime. For the shooting community to come out and say there's no connection between a gun crime and a legal gun just like there's no connection between a knife crime and cutting a roast, is a guaranteed way to make a connection and all too quickly shooting organisations lose the control of the debate. BASC, The NGO and so on have no interest and no business in talking about handgun crime and shouldn't be drawn into a debate on it. If the gun turns out to be a legally held firearm, then that is where they should be getting involved but will have to tread so carefully to avoid the PR disaster that is the NRA. Quoted on news a a handgun - and as a aside you can bet the anti lobby will be not one bit squeamish about making political capital, in fact they already are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirokuMK70 Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 Looking like a botched gang hit and the child was an innocent bystander. What has this country come to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, MirokuMK70 said: Looking like a botched gang hit and the child was an innocent bystander. What has this country come to. An innocent bystander INSIDE her own home ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 3 hours ago, bottletopbill said: God I hope it was not a licensed gun but the murder rate is getting worse by the week. Very mindful of the tragedy here. Be very careful what you wish for, any action taken from above will only impact those lawfully held as the others will not be affected anyhow? This decline will only continue as those above are seen to abuse the law, economic decay and populations increase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-62642060 More on the story, such vile people about thinking that their some kind of powerful creature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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