should i ..shant i..?

[tweedledee]

On 25/09/2022 at 09:03, serrac said:

The OP asked for arguments for and against vaccination. 
You are the one trying to deny people the opportunity to make informed choices by attempting to stifle viewpoints contrary to your own.

 

Please cite your source along with a statement of their funding sources. 
If they derive any funding from Government or any organisation associated with Pharma or the Gates foundation etc, then we can assign them firmly to the "laughable" category.

In any case the "fact check" you quoted looks like it was specifically targeted at analysis of the released Pfizer documents so doesn't even begin to address the "stillbirth/miscarriage rates in europe" cited by tweedledee.  Nice attempt at misdirection there.

My daughter and daughter-in-law wouldn't even have a glass of wine when they were pregnant. but yeah go right ahead and flood your body with pathogenic spike proteins - what could possibly go wrong?

 

"well known ...it can help prevent serious illness"?
please cite the the data sources you rely on to make this statement?

People should maybe listen to a Dr Peter mccullagh from the states.....before anyone slates him he's wrote more papers for the medical journals etc and is widely respected....there are other numerous doctors speaking against it but we have to allow for freedom of choice.....time will tell ,I ll take my chances without the spike proteins👍

[amateur]

Well, I had mine, together with the flu jab, last Friday.

I had an aching arm for a couple of days and so far no nasty side effects.

[ditchman]

interesting points people are raising...........as i said before i am not a flat earther or anti-vaccer............it just my phyisical life has got worse since the last 3 jabs ive had.......that is a fact....its not something ive read off the internet....and my mind is saying "dont do it enough is enough"

if other people are having their jabs and not seeing or feeling a downturn in their wellbeing....i say get stuck in and have the boosters

[Rim Fire]

Having mine next month with flue jab 

[Dave-G]

Can't make up my mind about having it or not now - who to believe... 

[Penelope]

2 hours ago, ditchman said:

interesting points people are raising...........as i said before i am not a flat earther or anti-vaccer............it just my phyisical life has got worse since the last 3 jabs ive had.......that is a fact....its not something ive read off the internet....and my mind is saying "dont do it enough is enough"

if other people are having their jabs and not seeing or feeling a downturn in their wellbeing....i say get stuck in and have the boosters

I think that there is enough info out there now to corroborate your gut feeling. 

[ditchman]

28 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

Can't make up my mind about having it or not now - who to believe... 

far from me to advise you or anyone on a forum...that is just so wrong all i can say if after the 3-4 jabs people have recieved ...and they have not noticed any downturn in their health or mobility..............then get the booster jab

in the time frame of my jabs ...to date.....i have seen a downturn in my physical health...i see the doctor (or practice nurse now) for the usual diabetic reviews and heart monitering.....but cant put my finger on these extra prblems...that have reared their ugly head during the time frame of the covid jabbing..........

[Dave-G]

4 minutes ago, ditchman said:

far from me to advise you or anyone on a forum...that is just so wrong all i can say if after the 3-4 jabs people have recieved ...and they have not noticed any downturn in their health or mobility..............then get the booster jab

in the time frame of my jabs ...to date.....i have seen a downturn in my physical health...i see the doctor (or practice nurse now) for the usual diabetic reviews and heart monitering.....but cant put my finger on these extra prblems...that have reared their ugly head during the time frame of the covid jabbing..........

[tweedledee]

https://rumble.com/v1lnncp-press-conference-dr.-aseem-malhotra-calls-for-immediate-and-complete-suspen.html

 

British doctor who promoted the jab....he's on GB news on utube too....think he's well enough versed and better than most of us normal folks

[tweedledee]

https://expose-news.com/2022/09/18/distracted-queens-death-uk-gov-reveal-triple-jabbed-91-percent-covid-deaths/

 

 

[amateur]

3 hours ago, ditchman said:

far from me to advise you or anyone on a forum...that is just so wrong all i can say if after the 3-4 jabs people have recieved ...and they have not noticed any downturn in their health or mobility..............then get the booster jab

in the time frame of my jabs ...to date.....i have seen a downturn in my physical health...i see the doctor (or practice nurse now) for the usual diabetic reviews and heart monitering.....but cant put my finger on these extra prblems...that have reared their ugly head during the time frame of the covid jabbing..........

As you say, base your decision on your body's reaction.

[ordnance]

10 hours ago, tweedledee said:

People should maybe listen to a Dr Peter mccullagh from the states.....before anyone slates him he's wrote more papers for the medical journals etc and is widely respected....there are other numerous doctors speaking against it but we have to allow for freedom of choice.....time will tell ,I ll take my chances without the spike proteins👍

He is the last person i would be taking advice from, as for numerous doctors speaking against it, there are numerous speaking for the vaccine. You seem determined to push antivax views from dodgy doctors and sources, you don't want it your choice why not just let people make their own decisions without trying to scaremongering.

Dr Peter Mccullough.

Some of McCullough's public statements contributed to the spread of COVID-19 misinformation.

McCullough testified before a committee of the in March 2021, posted to YouTube by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, in which he made false claims about COVID-19 and COVID-19 vaccines, including that people under 50 years of age and survivors do not need the vaccine and that there is no evidence of asymptomatic spread of COVID-19.

Posted on the Canadian online video sharing platform Rumble, McCullough gave an interview in April 2021 to The New American, the magazine of the right-wing John Birch Society, in which he advanced anti-vaccination messaging, including falsely claiming tens of thousands of fatalities attributed to the COVID-19 vaccines. In May 2021, McCullough gave an interview in which he made claims about COVID-19 and COVID-19 vaccines which were "inaccurate, misleading and/or unsupported by evidence", including that survivors cannot be re-infected and so do not require vaccination and that the vaccines are dangerous.

[tweedledee]

3 minutes ago, ordnance said:

He is the last person i would be taking advice from

Plenty of others too..I'm  not anti Vax but I am anti this vaccine as it's mRNA....

Edited September 30, 2022 by tweedledee

[ordnance]

On 29/09/2022 at 07:54, Scully said:

I received the text a few days ago and am booked in for the booster and flu jab in Nov sometime. 
Like you say, if you want it get it, if not then don’t. 🤷‍♂️ 
Just talking to a mate yesterday who is heading off to N. Zealand next month for 6 months, for the first time since lockdown. He’s having his before he goes; he has no choice if he wants to go. 

Seems strange, that's not what the New Zealand government says 

All travellers

Following the lifting of COVID-19 restrictions on 13 September 2022, there are no longer any requirements for travellers to be fully vaccinated in order to travel to New Zealand. However, some travel providers might have in place certain requirements for passengers to travel with them, so please consult your travel provider’s website for further information.

International travel

Travellers and crew do not need proof of COVID-19 vaccination to enter New Zealand. 

[Scully]

1 minute ago, ordnance said:

Seems strange, that's not what the New Zealand government says 

All travellers

Following the lifting of COVID-19 restrictions on 13 September 2022, there are no longer any requirements for travellers to be fully vaccinated in order to travel to New Zealand. However, some travel providers might have in place certain requirements for passengers to travel with them, so please consult your travel provider’s website for further information.

International travel

Travellers and crew do not need proof of COVID-19 vaccination to enter New Zealand. 

I’m just going off what he told me. 🤷‍♂️

[ordnance]

3 hours ago, tweedledee said:

https://expose-news.com/2022/09/18/distracted-queens-death-uk-gov-reveal-triple-jabbed-91-percent-covid-deaths/

 

 

The Exposé (also known as The Daily Exposé) is a British conspiracist website created in 2020 by Jonathan Allen-Walker. It is known for publishing COVID-19 and anti-vaccine misinformation.

The Daily Expose is a U.K.-focused conspiracy site created in November of last year, and since its establishment, it has promoted a standard portfolio of COVID-denialist, anti-vaxxer, and Great Reset myths framed as breaking news. 

Edited September 30, 2022 by ordnance

[tweedledee]

2 minutes ago, ordnance said:

The Exposé (also known as The Daily Exposé) is a British conspiracist website created in 2020 by Jonathan Allen-Walker. It is known for publishing COVID-19 and anti-vaccine misinformation.

The Daily Expose is a U.K.-focused conspiracy site created in November of last year, and since its establishment, it has promoted a standard portfolio of COVID-denialist, anti-vaxxer, and Great Reset myths framed as breaking news. 

I ll take my chances ordnance..you work away with your mRNA jabs.........I hope down the line we can explain all these excess deaths and birth rates ,miscarriages falling...maybe something in the air??

[ordnance]

2 minutes ago, tweedledee said:

I ll take my chances ordnance..you work away with your mRNA jabs.........I hope down the line we can explain all these excess deaths and birth rates ,miscarriages falling...maybe something in the air??

I didn't say i had or would get a mRNA vaccine, or that anyone else should  the last bit is just more unproven speculation. 

[JohnfromUK]

Had my (usual) flu vaccination last Monday (in Boots Chemist) - no side effects.

Had my Covid booster (Moderna) arranged by NHS on line in another pharmacy on Wednesday - mildly achy arm next day.  No other side effects.

[serrac]

11 hours ago, ordnance said:

He is the last person i would be taking advice from

While the conventional "wisdom" was that there is no effective early treatment for Covid and you had to just sit around and wait to see if you couldn't breath, at which point they would put you on a ventilator and pump Remdesivir into you, Dr Peter McCullough developed an early outpatient sequential multidrug treatment protocol which has been used by himself and other physicians worldwide with a near 100% success rate in preventing hospitalisations and deaths.

There will always be Ignorami jeering from the sidelines but it's people like McCullough who get in the ring and slug it out with the beast and come away a winner who deserve to be listened to.

 

11 hours ago, ordnance said:

Dr Peter Mccullough.

Some of McCullough's public statements contributed to the spread of COVID-19 misinformation.

McCullough testified before a committee of the in March 2021, posted to YouTube by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, in which he made false claims about COVID-19 and COVID-19 vaccines, including that people under 50 years of age and survivors do not need the vaccine and that there is no evidence of asymptomatic spread of COVID-19.

Posted on the Canadian online video sharing platform Rumble, McCullough gave an interview in April 2021 to The New American, the magazine of the right-wing John Birch Society, in which he advanced anti-vaccination messaging, including falsely claiming tens of thousands of fatalities attributed to the COVID-19 vaccines. In May 2021, McCullough gave an interview in which he made claims about COVID-19 and COVID-19 vaccines which were "inaccurate, misleading and/or unsupported by evidence", including that survivors cannot be re-infected and so do not require vaccination and that the vaccines are dangerous.

What a load to tosh.  I hope I don't have to explain to anyone other than Ordnance how idiotic this "fact check" actually is.

[tweedledee]

1 hour ago, serrac said:

While the conventional "wisdom" was that there is no effective early treatment for Covid and you had to just sit around and wait to see if you couldn't breath, at which point they would put you on a ventilator and pump Remdesivir into you, Dr Peter McCullough developed an early outpatient sequential multidrug treatment protocol which has been used by himself and other physicians worldwide with a near 100% success rate in preventing hospitalisations and deaths.

There will always be Ignorami jeering from the sidelines but it's people like McCullough who get in the ring and slug it out with the beast and come away a winner who deserve to be listened to.

 

What a load to tosh.  I hope I don't have to explain to anyone other than Ordnance how idiotic this "fact check" actually is.

If the main stream media or Google doesn't say it's ok then folk don't believe it.....sad to say we see the jab damage every day of life and it's very early days....remember the powers that want to depopulate also control the media.....I'd believe McCullough before I'd believe bill gates the eugenist....up to themselves...

[tweedledee]

folk need to look into this more..plenty of issues coming to light.....these things should be enough for folk to question what affect these jabs are actually having....I'm not anti Vax but I'd like people to be informed more....who when getting their jab was told ingredients of what they were taking??? Just question it folks is all I'm saying.....freedom of choice is paramount but has everyone been informed properly????

 

 

 

 

[serrac]

2 hours ago, tweedledee said:

folk need to look into this more..plenty of issues coming to light.....these things should be enough for folk to question what affect these jabs are actually having....I'm not anti Vax but I'd like people to be informed more....who when getting their jab was told ingredients of what they were taking??? Just question it folks is all I'm saying.....freedom of choice is paramount but has everyone been informed properly????

Cue Ordnance to pop up like a sock-puppet saying you're preventing people from making informed decisions by exposing them to anti-vax conspiracy nonsense 🤔

[ordnance]

9 hours ago, tweedledee said:

folk need to look into this more..plenty of issues coming to light.....these things should be enough for folk to question what affect these jabs are actually having....I'm not anti Vax but I'd like people to be informed more....who when getting their jab was told ingredients of what they were taking??? Just question it folks is all I'm saying.....freedom of choice is paramount but has everyone been informed properly????

 

 

 

 

And you think people can't inform themselves. You would need to be living on the moon not to know there are some people that have had blood clot issues with the AZ vaccine. How many medication's do you know that don't have actual and possible side effects including death 🤔

[51/50]

On 22/09/2022 at 19:26, serrac said:

Well done!

https://pierrekory.substack.com/p/inspirational-message-to-the-unvaccinated

I'll add to my previous post.

Unvaccinated,never once wore a mask,went about life/work as normal as possible,never got covid,i've been taking high strength vitamin D for years & it turns out vitamin D is a great defence against covid,it's also been many years since i've had a flu or common cold,i've never had the flu vax either & never will.

My son,unvaccinated,worked right through covid (except the first strict lockdown),he caught covid once & suffered no more than mild flu symptons for four days.

My partner,unvaccinated,worked right through covid (except the first strict lockdown),she caught covid once & suffered no more than mild flu symptoms for 6 days.

I have quite a few unvaccinated friends & aquaintances & have met plenty other unvaccinated people who have had & know of similar experiences.

I also know & have met plenty other vaccinated people who have all had covid & it absolutely floored them,some of them caught covid more than once & each time the symptoms were worse than the last,it is without doubt the vaccinated people that are spreading covid,the proof is out there.

I'm meeting more & more people who have been vaccinated & boosted & are now at their wits end because they are aware of what's really going on with these vaccinations.

I am aware of 3 deaths local to me that occured within weeks of them receiving the vaccinations,3 fit & healthy people,one under the age of 30,one just turned 40,one in his late fifties,another lad i know,again fit & healthy,just turned 40,got his first booster,was very ill for 3 weeks then suffered a heart attack,fortunately he's still here to tell the tale & now wishes he'd listened to the folk that told him not to get vaccinated.

The world is slowly but surely waking up to what's really going on but sadly there's still an abundance of people who watch & believe the blatant lies & propaganda the main stream media are still peddling (although some are reportedly back-peddling because the truth is catching up with them)

On the other hand though there's more & more people getting real & true information from new uncensored platforms that were created to give silenced academics & physicians etc a voice.

What's coming to light now is only the tip of the iceberg,frightening times ahead,very frightening.

An interesting link for anyone interested in listening to actual facts from those who are qualified to give these facts & who valued morals more than corrupt money...

https://globalcovidsummit.org/news/declaration-iv-restore-scientific-integrity

 

 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2022 by 51/50