islandgun Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) I should get a job with the Sun for that heading..😄 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-63192608 Edited October 10, 2022 by islandgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 Nothing but wet bloody foxes. They are causing immense damage to fisheries up and down the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 Got them on the shoot i keeper for love seeing them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, Rim Fire said: Got them on the shoot i keeper for love seeing them Great until they eat through a few £1,000's of 30 plus year old carp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, Penelope said: Great until they eat through a few £1,000's of 30 plus year old carp. Well as been said on the BOP thread get better security around the fishery same as been said put nets up on pens which i may ad is not practical ok with a small pen but one that is a lot larger like an acre you just got to put up with the losses or spend more time around the pens when BOP are more active Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 Just now, Rim Fire said: Well as been said on the BOP thread get better security around the fishery same as been said put nets up on pens which i may ad is not practical ok with a small pen but one that is a lot larger like an acre you just got to put up with the losses or spend more time around the pens when BOP are more active Not all fisheries can be fenced, and how do you otter proof a river? The once famous barbel population at Adam's Mill on the Great Ouse, were decimated by otters a decade ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Penelope said: Not all fisheries can be fenced, and how do you otter proof a river? The once famous barbel population at Adam's Mill on the Great Ouse, were decimated by otters a decade ago. It doesn't matter it is against the law and that's it if you got Koi Carp and in a pond get electric fencing around it same as if you got pheasant poults and you don't want BOP to attack you net it or do some other form of protection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 What is against the law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 To remove the otters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldfish Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, Penelope said: Not all fisheries can be fenced, and how do you otter proof a river? The once famous barbel population at Adam's Mill on the Great Ouse, were decimated by otters a decade ago. That was a sad time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Goldfish said: That was a sad time. The Ivel has gone the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishop Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Penelope said: Not all fisheries can be fenced, and how do you otter proof a river? The once famous barbel population at Adam's Mill on the Great Ouse, were decimated by otters a decade ago. They belong here and i for one enjoy seeing them when im out on the rivers. Fisheries are profit making little enterprises that come and go. If a population of fish is encouraged to grow to an unnaturally high level, then finds itself seriously reduced by natural predation theres no point in spitting yer dummy out,thats the natural world at work. Edited October 10, 2022 by bishop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 minute ago, bishop said: Fisheries are profit making little enterprises that come and go. Are they, what all of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted October 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 Its interesting to see the kill albeit in unnatural circumstances, the expert that was shocked by them hunting in daylight needs to get out more. 2 minutes ago, Penelope said: Not all fisheries can be fenced, and how do you otter proof a river? The once famous barbel population at Adam's Mill on the Great Ouse, were decimated by otters a decade ago. I can see why that might pee you off a bit. A fish is never going to make it in the popularity stakes against an Otter [as far as the general public are concerned] maybe live catch traps and removal from vulnerable areas might work, we have hundreds living on our local shoreline. I think feeding mostly on shore crabs and fish, some will have a ferret about in rabbit holes, Im sure some take some ground nesting birds and eggs they seem self limiting, not easy to survive in freezing water in winter ! I should add Im always pleased to see them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 minute ago, islandgun said: Its interesting to see the kill albeit in unnatural circumstances, the expert that was shocked by them hunting in daylight needs to get out more. I can see why that might pee you off a bit. A fish is never going to make it in the popularity stakes against an Otter [as far as the general public are concerned] maybe live catch traps and removal from vulnerable areas might work, we have hundreds living on our local shoreline. I think feeding mostly on shore crabs and fish, some will have a ferret about in rabbit holes, Im sure some take some ground nesting birds and eggs they seem self limiting, not easy to survive in freezing water in winter ! Oh, I agree, the otter is the darling of the protectionist brigade, all cute and fluffy and modern specimen fishing grew up without the otter's presence (Coincidently around the same time as the demise of otter populations). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 With all the protectionists in this country now all we will have is predators, then when they see a decline in a particular species they will have a scientific study to find out why they are declining and then blame farming or something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, bishop said: They belong here and i for one enjoy seeing them when im out on the rivers. Fisheries are profit making little enterprises that come and go. If a population of fish is encouraged to grow to an unnaturally high level, then finds itself seriously reduced by natural predation theres no point in spitting yer dummy out,thats the natural world at work. +1 - Fascinating animals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, bishop said: They belong here and i for one enjoy seeing them when im out on the rivers. Fisheries are profit making little enterprises that come and go. If a population of fish is encouraged to grow to an unnaturally high level, then finds itself seriously reduced by natural predation theres no point in spitting yer dummy out,thats the natural world at work. Yep, bit like the Red Kite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishop Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Fatcatsplat said: +1 - Fascinating animals had a youngster sneek up on me and the lab out on the mussel beds a few years back in the dawn gloom. totally curious to see what we were.Takes a very special mentality to feel the desire to harm the otter, i think. Primarily one ruled by greed or ignorance. As i said unnaturally high fish populations are the problem -not the otters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 39 minutes ago, Penelope said: Not all fisheries can be fenced, and how do you otter proof a river? The once famous barbel population at Adam's Mill on the Great Ouse, were decimated by otters a decade ago. We went to a place in Yorkshire a couple of years ago, it was a trout place amongst others things, you could fish the lakes, buy food and feed them, they were like giant ponds with huge fish in them, then there was the fisheries side, honestly the electric fencing looked like a small scale Jurassic park, it was really serious stuff, fella said it was the only way to keep the otters out. We back on to a small river that now gets otters coming along, anyone with fish has had to step up their security or lose their fish, lots of video footage of them coming and going from ponds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 Looks like the protectionists have got you all supping from the cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, Penelope said: Looks like the protectionists have got you all supping from the cup. I think we should stop killing Foxes, beautiful creature and what harm do they do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 Same as foxes, fine in the right place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted October 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 29 minutes ago, Penelope said: Looks like the protectionists have got you all supping from the cup. As mentioned earlier the otters up here in the Outer Hebrides are living a hard life which keeps their numbers limited, whereas the East Anglian Otters are having a relatively easy life feeding in stock ponds and well stocked rivers. Maybe this post is showing that there may not be as much food around as previously and they are resorting to desperate measures to sustain themselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliedog Posted October 10, 2022 Report Share Posted October 10, 2022 They eat a large quantity of water birds, people may change their outlook for birds but never fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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