Here comes Boris

[Raja Clavata]

12 hours ago, Scully said:

Why do you claim he is a racist? 

I agree with the Archbishops comments about him legitimising racism.

It might not be as overt as Cruella ( Home Secretary) but she’s on another level.

Ironic given that both of them are descended from refugees.

That also makes them hypocrites.

[Newbie to this]

9 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I agree with the Archbishops comments about him

But he believes in a all powerful man that lives in the clouds, so is clearly mental....

[johnphilip]

An interesting take on our new  PM .

 

https://youtu.be/psASw5hbAmw

[12gauge82]

16 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I agree with the Archbishops comments about him legitimising racism.

It might not be as overt as Cruella ( Home Secretary) but she’s on another level.

Ironic given that both of them are descended from refugees.

That also makes them hypocrites.

I don't believe he's racist in the slightest and I think this shows what a massive problem that's been caused in the western world. There is so much pumped out in the media and through just about every other official source about racism that people are expecting to see it everywhere, when someone is a straight talker as Farage is, people make assumptions and I don't blame them. 

The amount of baseless nonsense about racism that is pumped out in this country, if I was anything other than white British I would probably assume most of the UK's population at night must go home and despise me when not in public. It simply couldn't be further from the truth. 

[Scully]

32 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I agree with the Archbishops comments about him legitimising racism.

It might not be as overt as Cruella ( Home Secretary) but she’s on another level.

Ironic given that both of them are descended from refugees.

That also makes them hypocrites.

That’s ridiculous!  Given the archbishops beliefs I could claim that he is also a hypocrite who legitimises all that is despicable about religion and the church, but that would be ridiculous also. 
I don’t agree about the HS being racist either; she has a job to do and something has to be done to at least slow the flow and ensure those here under false pretences are ushered back to where they came from. 
I don’t know of anyone who would open their home to complete strangers speaking a foreign language, but that’s for another thread. 

32 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

But he believes in a all powerful man that lives in the clouds, so is clearly mental....

This. 

[Raja Clavata]

1 hour ago, Newbie to this said:

But he believes in a all powerful man that lives in the clouds, so is clearly mental....

There is that and I certainly don’t agree with everything he says but I believe he’s spot on with that one.

PS we’ll never truly know what he believes re. the big guy upstairs (fwiw I think he even got the gender wrong but that’s a separate topic which we not supposed to discuss 🤫)

[Raja Clavata]

49 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I don't believe he's racist in the slightest and I think this shows what a massive problem that's been caused in the western world. There is so much pumped out in the media and through just about every other official source about racism that people are expecting to see it everywhere, when someone is a straight talker as Farage is, people make assumptions and I don't blame them. 

The amount of baseless nonsense about racism that is pumped out in this country, if I was anything other than white British I would probably assume most of the UK's population at night must go home and despise me when not in public. It simply couldn't be further from the truth. 

You’re entitled to your opinions and beliefs. 

Farage is smart, very smart and in general the public are very easy to manipulate.

[Raja Clavata]

36 minutes ago, Scully said:

That’s ridiculous!  Given the archbishops beliefs I could claim that he is also a hypocrite who legitimises all that is despicable about religion and the church, but that would be ridiculous also. 
I don’t agree about the HS being racist either; she has a job to do and something has to be done to at least slow the flow and ensure those here under false pretences are ushered back to where they came from. 
I don’t know of anyone who would open their home to complete strangers speaking a foreign language, but that’s for another thread. 

This. 

I don’t agree with a lot the AB says or appears to believe but that doesn’t make him wrong on everything.

Cruella is a nasty piece of work, could see that way back before her recent rise to prominence.

In my experience she’s the worst type of racist.

She is using one of the numerous falsehoods of Brexit to drive a, I was going to say dark, alternative agenda in my opinion. 
 

BTW it’s likely to end up with the RAF having to take “those people” to Rwanda as no sane commercial airline will touch it with a barge pole.

Whether we like it or not, Brexit grew an international opinion that we are a racist nation. The Rwanda debacle nails it for some. I’m not saying it’s 100% valid but from an outsiders perspective if the former asserts a hypothesis then the latter certainly does reinforce it.

[johnphilip]

17 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I don’t agree with a lot the AB says or appears to believe but that doesn’t make him wrong on everything.

Cruella is a nasty piece of work, could see that way back before her recent rise to prominence.

In my experience she’s the worst type of racist.

She is using one of the numerous falsehoods of Brexit to drive a, I was going to say dark, alternative agenda in my opinion. 
 

BTW it’s likely to end up with the RAF having to take “those people” to Rwanda as no sane commercial airline will touch it with a barge pole.

Whether we like it or not, Brexit grew an international opinion that we are a racist nation. The Rwanda debacle nails it for some. I’m not saying it’s 100% valid but from an outsiders perspective if the former asserts a hypothesis then the latter certainly does reinforce it.

Is this racist  or just people trying to protect there own homes , dont suppose  you will see much of this story posted  by the main media. 

 

 

[Newbie to this]

17 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

BTW it’s likely to end up with the RAF having to take “those people” to Rwanda as no sane commercial airline will touch it with a barge pole.

The Military should be dealing with them anyway.

It's their job to protect the security of the UK. They are failing miserably, I don't blame the Military, the same as I don't blame those crossing illegally. I blame our governments past and present, with their **** poor policies on immigration.

[Raja Clavata]

56 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

Is this racist  or just people trying to protect there own homes , dont suppose  you will see much of this story posted  by the main media. 

 

 

Classy interview from a classy news channel. I see nothing in the accounts from the women that they are racist.

Read between the lines with what Farage is saying though.

57 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

The Military should be dealing with them anyway.

It's their job to protect the security of the UK. They are failing miserably, I don't blame the Military, the same as I don't blame those crossing illegally. I blame our governments past and present, with their **** poor policies on immigration.

Just arm Farage with a gun boat in the channel, he’ll sort it.

[Scully]

1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:

I don’t agree with a lot the AB says or appears to believe but that doesn’t make him wrong on everything.

Cruella is a nasty piece of work, could see that way back before her recent rise to prominence.

In my experience she’s the worst type of racist.

She is using one of the numerous falsehoods of Brexit to drive a, I was going to say dark, alternative agenda in my opinion. 
 

BTW it’s likely to end up with the RAF having to take “those people” to Rwanda as no sane commercial airline will touch it with a barge pole.

Whether we like it or not, Brexit grew an international opinion that we are a racist nation. The Rwanda debacle nails it for some. I’m not saying it’s 100% valid but from an outsiders perspective if the former asserts a hypothesis then the latter certainly does reinforce it.

I quite like the sound of Braverman; she has a job to do and hopefully she’ll do it. Does that make me a racist? 
You DID say ‘dark’. What is this ‘dark alternative agenda’ ? 
I’d see it as a job suitable for the RAF to be honest, can’t think why they would have to charter a commercial flight, plenty of Hercules etc to make use of. 
Did Brexit grow our reputation as a ‘racist nation’, anymore racist than most other nations? Hasn’t the UK in turn been accused of being a racist and tolerant nation long before Brexit? 
I have read many accounts of WW1, and ingrained racism and tolerance in almost equal measures was alive and prospering back then, and don’t forget we had a slave trade, but then so did the Africans! 
Personally I didn’t vote to leave on a anti-refugee policy, but if the UK is racist, what does that say about France? France isn’t at war with anyone as far as I’m aware, yet there are boatloads of people fleeing its shores on a daily basis to risk life and limb to get to the UK. I wonder why? 

[Raja Clavata]

I don’t believe you’re racist.

I can’t answer the majority of your questions because I’m a Brit currently living in the UK, I’m just telling you what friends and colleagues outside of the UK tell me.

I don’t know if the issue is with France or the fact that the UK is a more attractive proposition, which if the latter is the case is likely due to numerous factors.

I’d like to see evidence of how anything is better post Brexit, least of all illegal immigration into the UK. 
 

I kind of got the taking back control bit but look at the clowns who’ve now got control. In a two horse race the Conservative party couldn’t even originally pick the only credible candidate of the two, at least that’s now been corrected.

[discobob]

45 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

In a two horse race the Conservative party couldn’t even originally pick the only credible candidate of the two, at least that’s now been corrected.

You mean the Socialist one that you liked??

Do you not think that it was they didn't want him so vicariously they voted for LT. I do feel that the whole process is totally wrong though - reminds me of Blair/Brown 

[Raja Clavata]

6 minutes ago, discobob said:

You mean the Socialist one that you liked??

Do you not think that it was they didn't want him so vicariously they voted for LT. I do feel that the whole process is totally wrong though - reminds me of Blair/Brown 

No, the only credible candidate. If you stood / still stand behind Trustless that’s your choice / conscience. She is /was a joke regardless of whether she sits central, right or far right. Fit for purpose over degrees or right every time imho.

I think the Blair / Brown analogy would have worked better if Rishi had gone straight in and replaced Boris.

[Rem260]

1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:

I don’t believe you’re racist.

I can’t answer the majority of your questions because I’m a Brit currently living in the UK, I’m just telling you what friends and colleagues outside of the UK tell me.

I don’t know if the issue is with France or the fact that the UK is a more attractive proposition, which if the latter is the case is likely due to numerous factors.

I’d like to see evidence of how anything is better post Brexit, least of all illegal immigration into the UK. 
 

I kind of got the taking back control bit but look at the clowns who’ve now got control. In a two horse race the Conservative party couldn’t even originally pick the only credible candidate of the two, at least that’s now been corrected.

Can you please tell us what Nationalities these people are that are telling you the UK is a racist nation.

[Rewulf]

4 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

Ironic given that both of them are descended from refugees.

That also makes them hypocrites.

My partner works for a well know drinks firm, she is a promotional rep, who visits between 10 and 15 corner shops per day, the vast majority of which are owned and run by Asians of various denominations.
She has excellent relations with them and they will talk about most things, one of which is immigration , legal and illegal.
It may surprise you to know that these 'descended from refugees' people are vehemently against illegal immigrants , no matter where they be from, they say the country is 'too full !'

Are they hypocrites too ?
Im not having a go , but there is serious economic and social issue attached to all this, and it needs to be addressed.

4 hours ago, Scully said:

I don’t know of anyone who would open their home to complete strangers speaking a foreign language, but that’s for another thread. 

I wouldnt open my home to a white English speaking complete stranger either 

53 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I kind of got the taking back control bit but look at the clowns who’ve now got control. In a two horse race the Conservative party couldn’t even originally pick the only credible candidate of the two, at least that’s now been corrected.

Neither candidate was credible.
The membership voted for Truss because they couldnt stand Sunak.
This time around they have circumvented that vote , and pushed him through, his legitimacy is on very shaky ground , and I would imagine there will be a large exodus of party members in protest , myself included.
They will likely end up in Reform, which may or may not split the vote and put labour back in , then we can all bask in quasi socialist wokery , while the country goes down the pan.

[12gauge82]

4 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

You’re entitled to your opinions and beliefs. 

Farage is smart, very smart and in general the public are very easy to manipulate.

As you are to yours 👍

I can assure you that if I ever believed Farage to be racist he'd loose my support and I'm sure the very vast majority of the UK's support to. 

38 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

 

This time around they have circumvented that vote , and pushed him through, his legitimacy is on very shaky ground , and I would imagine there will be a large exodus of party members in protest , myself included.
They will likely end up in Reform, which may or may not split the vote and put labour back in , then we can all bask in quasi socialist wokery , while the country goes down the pan.

I'd rather split the vote and face a Labour government, than let those in the Cons who have caused all this get away with what they've done. "Democracy my ****"

[Rewulf]

19 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I'd rather split the vote and face a Labour government, than let those in the Cons who have caused all this get away with what they've done. "Democracy my ****"

Ill wager theres a lot of staunch tory voters thinking the same right now.

[Raja Clavata]

1 hour ago, Rem260 said:

Can you please tell us what Nationalities these people are that are telling you the UK is a racist nation.

I don’t have a compiled list but India, Kenya & Nigeria for starters. Not sure where you’re going with this but hey ho.

Like I said it’s a perception.

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

My partner works for a well know drinks firm, she is a promotional rep, who visits between 10 and 15 corner shops per day, the vast majority of which are owned and run by Asians of various denominations.
She has excellent relations with them and they will talk about most things, one of which is immigration , legal and illegal.
It may surprise you to know that these 'descended from refugees' people are vehemently against illegal immigrants , no matter where they be from, they say the country is 'too full !'

Are they hypocrites too ?
Im not having a go , but there is serious economic and social issue attached to all this, and it needs to be addressed.

Neither candidate was credible.
The membership voted for Truss because they couldnt stand Sunak.
This time around they have circumvented that vote , and pushed him through, his legitimacy is on very shaky ground , and I would imagine there will be a large exodus of party members in protest , myself included.
They will likely end up in Reform, which may or may not split the vote and put labour back in , then we can all bask in quasi socialist wokery , while the country goes down the pan.

The type of people you describe are amongst the racist I’ve ever met, ironic given that you and I would probably characterise them as from an ethic background themselves.

I don’t agree that Sunak wasn’t a credible option. He did a decent enough job as CoE in difficult circumstances.

I have no issue with his background and financial standing either. Deserves a crack at it imho and I’d certainly have him over Boris.

[Raja Clavata]

51 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I can assure you that if I ever believed Farage to be racist he'd loose my support and I'm sure the very vast majority of the UK's support to. 

I have no reason to doubt that squire!

The point is he doesn’t need to be overtly racist, he preys on some peoples subconscious biases and stirs such emotions. He’s very good at it, brilliant even.

You know what, according to a MIT questionnaire I’m a borderline closet racist too apparently…

[Newbie to this]

3 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

Just arm Farage with a gun boat in the channel, he’ll sort it.

Very extreme view you have there.

2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

I’m just telling you what friends and colleagues outside of the UK tell me.

I think this says more about the company you keep, than how racist the UK is or indeed perceived.

2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

I don’t know if the issue is with France or the fact that the UK is a more attractive proposition, which if the latter is the case is likely due to numerous factors.

Even though we are perceived worldwide as a racist country 

We all know why the reasons they are heading here, and it isn't to do with any language issues.

2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

I’d like to see evidence of how anything is better post Brexit, least of all illegal immigration into the UK. 

I can't help with this, Brexit was always going to be long-term, add to that we have a political class that never wanted Brexit.

2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

I kind of got the taking back control bit but look at the clowns who’ve now got control

I kind of agree with this bit. But feel membership of the EU is partly to blame for our political ineptitude. 

1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

I'd rather split the vote and face a Labour government, than let those in the Cons who have caused all this get away with what they've done. "Democracy my ****"

You're not alone.

[Raja Clavata]

10 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Very extreme view you have there.

I think this says more about the company you keep, than how racist the UK is or indeed perceived.

Even though we are perceived worldwide as a racist country 

Plenty examples there why I tend not to engage with you on this forum any more.

Life is too short to try to explain it to you.

[Rewulf]

25 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

The type of people you describe are amongst the racist I’ve ever met, ironic given that you and I would probably characterise them as from an ethic background themselves.

They cant be racist , theyre not white ! 

But yes , youre not wrong, but that wasnt what I was getting at , its whether theyre hypocrites or not ?

25 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I don’t agree that Sunak wasn’t a credible option. He did a decent enough job as CoE in difficult circumstances.

I have no issue with his background and financial standing either. Deserves a crack at it imho and I’d certainly have him over Boris.

Truss deserved a crack, she messed up .
Sunak will have his crack, lets see what happens, but if he messes up, its either general election , or Boris back , maybe both.
Either way , chaos will ensue, just when we dont need it, and there isnt a thing we can do about it.

[Newbie to this]

5 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Plenty examples there why I tend not to engage with you on this forum any more.

Life is too short to try to explain it to you.

Never mind. 

Edited October 26, 2022 by Newbie to this