ordnance Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Mungler said: We need a full inquiry and inquisition to hold people to account and to ensure it never happens again. I look back now at what happened in horror and I shudder. The "medical advice" that we were all going to die and we should knit ourselves some face masks, the whole face mask debacle, ignoring the physics and mechanics of transmission, the R rate nonsensical calculations, the hysteria, the self appointed experts, the empowerment of the state and people being arrested for walking in a park with a coffee, the country closing for 2 years and social and economic impact of that, and the list goes on... And we have Trudeau in the press this week praising the Chinese for fighting back against oppressive state mandated covid lock downs. Hello? Canadian Truckers anyone? The world has gone mad. A guy in work's wife had a kidney transplant and is taking immuno suppressant drugs Covid could kill her, so he is careful avoids as much as possible large crowds wears a mask etc, not for his health but to try and not bring Covid home with him. There are hundreds of thousands in the UK in similar circumstances trying as best as possible to keep themselves and Loved one's safe, I would see that as acting responsible not as sheep. If you had a child in similar circumstances, would you just act as normal if you get it and give it to them tough. 17 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: So covid should come under the official secrets act Do you not think what goes on in some UK lab's comes under the official secrets act 🤔 you can be sure it comes under China's. Edited November 30, 2022 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 18 minutes ago, ordnance said: A guy in work's wife had a kidney transplant and is taking immuno suppressant drugs Covid could kill her, so he is careful avoids as much as possible large crowds wears a mask etc, not for his health but to try and not bring Covid home with him. There are hundreds of thousands in the UK in similar circumstances trying as best as possible to keep themselves and Loved one's safe, I would see that as acting responsible not as sheep. If you had a child in similar circumstances, would you just act as normal if you get it and give it to them tough. Each individual has to respond to their personal or family circumstances, and if that involves wearing a mask to protect a vulnerable individual in that family then it’s their option. What cannot be accepted or expected, is to apply the same criteria to entire populations. There will always be vulnerable people, and they must take responsibility and precautions for their own safety and they cannot reasonably expect others to do so on their behalf. A friend is under great risk from bugs and viruses due to ongoing treatment for cancer, he isn’t expecting anyone to mask up on his behalf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 Quote Each individual has to respond to their personal or family circumstances, and if that involves wearing a mask to protect a vulnerable individual in that family then it’s their option. What cannot be accepted or expected, is to apply the same criteria to entire populations. I agree, my point is if you see someone wearing a mask don't be too quick to judge by calling them sheep etc you don't know their circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, ordnance said: I agree, my point is if you see someone wearing a mask don't be too quick to judge by calling them sheep etc you don't know their circumstances. Personally I’m not too quick to call them sheep, but of those I know personally ( and there aren’t too many admittedly ) who still wear masks do so because they have been frightened out of their wits by the hype and scare mongering generated during the pandemic. Some of them are actually quite scathing that others aren’t still wearing masks. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Scully said: Personally I’m not too quick to call them sheep, but of those I know personally ( and there aren’t too many admittedly ) who still wear masks do so because they have been frightened out of their wits by the hype and scare mongering generated during the pandemic. Some of them are actually quite scathing that others aren’t still wearing masks. 🤷♂️ The people I know who still wear masks are the worried well. You know the sort, no kids, an odd quantity of cats and the sort of people who wake up every day hyper focused and worried about themselves / how they (and they alone) feel. As for vulnerable people wearing masks - I remember in the early days of lockdown wearing a mask walking behind a lady 20 yards up the road and I could smell her perfume and the cigarette she was smoking. Anyways, it’s all about people scared witless / out of their senses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted November 30, 2022 Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 I had a guy come to my yard to buy something off me. My yard is in the middle of nowhere, nobody there but me, not likely that anyone else is going to turn up and this guy is wearing a mask talking to me from about 6 inches away. ***? It isn't normal to be that close mask or no mask, covid or no covid. Some people are just odd, actually a lot of them are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted December 1, 2022 Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, Mungler said: The people I know who still wear masks are the worried well. You know the sort, no kids, an odd quantity of cats and the sort of people who wake up every day hyper focused and worried about themselves / how they (and they alone) feel. As for vulnerable people wearing masks - I remember in the early days of lockdown wearing a mask walking behind a lady 20 yards up the road and I could smell her perfume and the cigarette she was smoking. Anyways, it’s all about people scared witless / out of their senses. I do my own thing and couldn't care less what others do, wear a mask don't wear a mask I don't care. I don't get why some have a issue if people wear masks, their choice. Edited December 1, 2022 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted December 1, 2022 Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 Never wore a mask period....feel sorry for the auld craters walking around Belfast masked up...terrified to death with the constant media fear campaign.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 1, 2022 Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 2 hours ago, ordnance said: I do my own thing and couldn't care less what others do, wear a mask don't wear a mask I don't care. I don't get why some have an issue if people wear masks, their choice. But the people I know who wear masks would dearly love a world where everyone had to wear masks, and where nightclubs were shut down and people were all made to be equally as miserable as they 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 1, 2022 Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 (edited) Mungler - you posted your views when this all started and stuck to them. I believe time has vindicated your views, but the country is potentially in a bigger mess because of the way it was all handled. People working from home, who now refuse to return to work, as if they have a divine right. Country saddled with increased debt. NHS which never sank under the Covid load, but seems to have sunk because of backlogs caused by Covid restrictions. Chris Whitty warns Britain faces 'prolonged period' of excess deaths | Daily Mail Online Edited December 1, 2022 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted December 1, 2022 Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Mungler - you posted your views when this all started and stuck to them. I believe time has vindicated your views, but the country is potentially in a bigger mess because of the way it was all handled. People working from home, who now refuse to return to work, as if they have a divine right. Country saddled with increased debt. NHS which never sank under the Covid load, but seems to have sunk because of backlogs caused by Covid restrictions. Chris Whitty warns Britain faces 'prolonged period' of excess deaths | Daily Mail Online That would be the governments fault then, as for work as far as i know you can't refuse to return if asked by your employer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted December 1, 2022 Report Share Posted December 1, 2022 ordnance - got to agree with whose fault it was. The Government got some things right, but seemed to be in the grip of hysteria, paying way too much attention to Mr Gloomy, Chris Whitty. Whilst employers should be able to order staff back to work, many, including the Civil Service, seem reluctant to do so. Personally, I would sack a few of reluctant returners to motivate the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 10 hours ago, Gordon R said: Whilst employers should be able to order staff back to work, many, including the Civil Service, seem reluctant to do so. Personally, I would sack a few of reluctant returners to motivate the rest. This exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 On 30/11/2022 at 12:22, Mungler said: We need a full inquiry and inquisition to hold people to account and to ensure it never happens again. I look back now at what happened in horror and I shudder. The "medical advice" that we were all going to die and we should knit ourselves some face masks, the whole face mask debacle, ignoring the physics and mechanics of transmission, the R rate nonsensical calculations, the hysteria, the self appointed experts, the empowerment of the state and people being arrested for walking in a park with a coffee, the country closing for 2 years and social and economic impact of that, and the list goes on... And we have Trudeau in the press this week praising the Chinese for fighting back against oppressive state mandated covid lock downs. Hello? Canadian Truckers anyone? The world has gone mad. Totally and utterly, and I find it frightening. On 30/11/2022 at 18:06, Scully said: Excellent post. And another. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 Everyone laughed at the 'recklessness' of Swedens approach, no lockdowns , no compulsory masks, bars and restaurants remained open, schools remained open. Everyone was going to die ! Yet they didnt , in fact Sweden fared better than most other lockdown countries , including the UK , their daily death rate briefly hit 100 , ours was sometimes in the 1200s, theirr daily death rate now is around 10 , ours is still 100 every day, yet Swedens population is 1/6th of ours ? The level of covid hysteria, technically killed more people per capita. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted December 2, 2022 Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: Everyone laughed at the 'recklessness' of Swedens approach, no lockdowns , no compulsory masks, bars and restaurants remained open, schools remained open. Everyone was going to die ! Yet they didnt , in fact Sweden fared better than most other lockdown countries , including the UK , their daily death rate briefly hit 100 , ours was sometimes in the 1200s, theirr daily death rate now is around 10 , ours is still 100 every day, yet Swedens population is 1/6th of ours ? The level of covid hysteria, technically killed more people per capita. Klaus still seems to be very keen on lockdowns and vaccines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2022 38 minutes ago, Penelope said: Klaus still seems to be very keen on lockdowns and vaccines. Klaus 'Blofeld' is probably very keen on all kind of deranged, perverted stuff. Hes probably working on how much virgin blood he needs to prolong his life as we speak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted December 3, 2022 Report Share Posted December 3, 2022 19 hours ago, Rewulf said: Klaus 'Blofeld' is probably very keen on all kind of deranged, perverted stuff. Hes probably working on how much virgin blood he needs to prolong his life as we speak Klaus is a very evil man make no doubts...folk should look into him and his economic forum plans,we won't mention the apprentice network he has through our government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 3, 2022 Report Share Posted December 3, 2022 On 02/12/2022 at 16:08, Penelope said: Klaus still seems to be very keen on lockdowns and vaccines. He’s not the only one it would seem. Have today received a letter from our local council which states that ‘due to the current covid 19 pandemic the offices remain closed’. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted December 3, 2022 Report Share Posted December 3, 2022 51 minutes ago, Scully said: He’s not the only one it would seem. Have today received a letter from our local council which states that ‘due to the current covid 19 pandemic the offices remain closed’. 🤷♂️ No -- that's just bone idle civil servants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 China are never going to admit anything. It seems to me that everyone (more or less) believes it escaped from that lab through slack working practices. But without China's cooperation its destined to become just another conspiracy theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 19 hours ago, Vince Green said: But without China's cooperation its destined to become just another conspiracy theory I agree China is never going to admit to any wrong doing, but covid is a big issue to brush under the carpet... As far as conspiracy theories go , I always find the more plausible ones (flat earth and lizards definitely not included !) are usually considered more unbelievable, the more inconvenient they are to world governments. And those that ARE convenient/useful are not theories at all , but should be considered fact , despite little or no evidence ? Example The 'bat cave' theory for the origin, was considered fact at first , and for nearly 2 years afterwards, despite little or no evidence , this made covid a 'natural' accident, so no one to blame...... The bat cave theory is now debunked, and its revealed there is no way it occurred naturally, there are markers that show its an engineered virus, and they were always there, but ignored, because that was an inconvenient fact. There wont be any real investigation by governmental agencies on the origins of covid , as its not in their interests to reveal the truth. But I strongly suspect collusion between China and the US in the matter, read into that what you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 Quote The bat cave theory is now debunked, and its revealed there is no way it occurred naturally, there are markers that show its an engineered virus, and they were always there, but ignored, because that was an inconvenient fact. If its a fact have you a reliable source / link to the fact ? PS Not Russell Brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted December 20, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 14 hours ago, ordnance said: If its a fact have you a reliable source / link to the fact ? PS Not Russell Brand. 'Fact' in 2020 https://theconversation.com/heres-how-scientists-know-the-coronavirus-came-from-bats-and-wasnt-made-in-a-lab-141850 Fact 2022 https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-most-likely-leaked-from-lab-in-china-senate-gop-report-says-11666905063 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/15/wuhan-lab-leak-now-likely-origin-covid-mps-told/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 7 hours ago, Rewulf said: 'Fact' in 2020 https://theconversation.com/heres-how-scientists-know-the-coronavirus-came-from-bats-and-wasnt-made-in-a-lab-141850 Fact 2022 https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-most-likely-leaked-from-lab-in-china-senate-gop-report-says-11666905063 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/15/wuhan-lab-leak-now-likely-origin-covid-mps-told/ Your first link says it came from bats and the Lab leak is a social media conspiracy 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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