Bigteddy1954 Posted January 6, 2023 Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 Hi folks got a deer problem . I have shotgun and firearms certificate but haven't a large calibre rifle and don't intend to purchase one .what's the law on borrowing a .243 for a few hrs .Is the law the same as borrowing a shot gun ?. Cheers teddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
243deer Posted January 6, 2023 Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 https://www.countryside-alliance.org/our-work/campaign-for-shooting/firearms-licensing/laws-on-borrowing-shot-guns-and-firearms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted January 6, 2023 Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 If the land owner agrees, what about asking here if anyone with the correct calibre and open ticket would accompany you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigteddy1954 Posted January 6, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 Hi thank you for that info.cheers teddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 6, 2023 Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 Your best bet is take someone the problem you got is trusting them not to go behind your back they will also need landowners permission although they got an open ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 6, 2023 Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) To be in possession of an FAC rifle, it would have to be on your cert, and your licence authority informed. Unless the owner accompanied you. There are rules involved with this though. Not sure 100% what they are. In short you cannot borrow a FAC rifle the same way as a shotgun, there is no 48hr period. Although at clubs the rules are different, I believe. I can borrow a rifle from the NRA. Edited January 6, 2023 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 6, 2023 Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 42 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: To be possession of an FAC rifle, it would have to be on your cert, and your licence authority informed. Unless the owner accompanied you. There are rules involved with this though. Not sure 100% what they are. In short you cannot borrow a FAC rifle the same way as a shotgun, there is no 48hr period. Although at clubs the rules are different, I believe. I can borrow a rifle from the NRA. Its in the link posted by 243 Deer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 6, 2023 Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 46 minutes ago, Rim Fire said: Its in the link posted by 243 Deer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 6, 2023 Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 Surely...........if the OP has an FAC already, he should KNOW what he can and can’t do with a firearm. Unbelievable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 6, 2023 Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, London Best said: Surely...........if the OP has an FAC already, he should KNOW what he can and can’t do with a firearm. Unbelievable! He only got sgc so know nothing about rifles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 6, 2023 Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Rim Fire said: He only got sgc so know nothing about rifles No, read the OP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windswept Posted January 6, 2023 Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 You don't have to own the rifle. If you know someone with a suitable rifle you can apply for a variation and 'share' their rifle, i.e. a firearm can be on multiple certs I gather? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigteddy1954 Posted January 6, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 1 hour ago, London Best said: Surely...........if the OP has an FAC already, he should KNOW what he can and can’t do with a firearm. Unbelievable! Hi so I ask for information off this site then you crucify me. Abit harsh maybe .teddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 6, 2023 Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 22 minutes ago, Bigteddy1954 said: Hi so I ask for information off this site then you crucify me. Abit harsh maybe .teddy Not an intentional crucifixion. But if you have an FAC then it is absolutely your duty to understand from the moment you sign it exactly what you can and cannot do. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigteddy1954 Posted January 6, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, London Best said: Not an intentional crucifixion. But if you have an FAC then it is absolutely your duty to understand from the moment you sign it exactly what you can and cannot do. Sorry. Np and thank you .teddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 7, 2023 Report Share Posted January 7, 2023 23 hours ago, London Best said: Surely...........if the OP has an FAC already, he should KNOW what he can and can’t do with a firearm. Unbelievable! Surely, harsh and not fair. Obtaining an FAC and using the guns to which it refers as meets your needs and is so authorised is fine. Perhaps then at a later date one wishes to extend that use which may or may not be lawful, it makes perfect sense to check the legality of it beforehand. The one real need as can be seen from previous topics regarding the borrowing of firearms and shotguns and also the definitions relating to permissions and rights on here is to be cautious as to which replies are accepted and/or acted upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 7, 2023 Report Share Posted January 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, wymberley said: Surely, harsh and not fair. Obtaining an FAC and using the guns to which it refers as meets your needs and is so authorised is fine. Perhaps then at a later date one wishes to extend that use which may or may not be lawful, it makes perfect sense to check the legality of it beforehand. The one real need as can be seen from previous topics regarding the borrowing of firearms and shotguns and also the definitions relating to permissions and rights on here is to be cautious as to which replies are accepted and/or acted upon. Sorry, don’t agree. Everyone using any firearms shoul know the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 7, 2023 Report Share Posted January 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, London Best said: Sorry, don’t agree. Everyone using any firearms shoul know the law. Can’t possibly disagree with that but would just add, ‘as it applies to them’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 7, 2023 Report Share Posted January 7, 2023 I would find someone to help you out. Alternatively if your defending crops it's possible to use a shotgun. Section 7 of the Deer Act On any cultivated land, pasture or enclosed woodland, deer may be shot during the close season and a shotgun can be used in certain circumstances [see below] in order to prevent damage. This action may be taken by the occupier of the land in person and with his written permission by: Any member of the occupier’s household normally resident on the land; Any person in ordinary service of the occupier of the land; Any person having the right to take or kill deer on the land; Any person acting with written authority of a person having that right. Subject to that person having: Reasonable grounds for believing that deer of the same species were causing or had caused damage to crops, vegetables, fruit, growing timber or any other form of property on the land and; believing further damage was likely to be caused and was likely to be serious; The action was necessary to prevent any such damage. If a shotgun is to be used, the following conditions apply It must be not smaller than a 12 bore; AAA shot ONLY may be used, or A single non-spherical projectile weighing not less than 22.68 grammes (350 grains). A fi rearm certifi cate is required to purchase such ammunition. Note that the above describes a defence. Should a prosecution be brought the defendant would be expected to prove that they had acted accordingly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 12 hours ago, oowee said: A fi rearm certifi cate is required to purchase such ammunition. Note that the above describes a defence If you are going to apply for this you might as well apply for a 243 and shoot them yourself And don't worry about not knowing everything about firearms as you only had a .22lr and that's what applied to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Rim Fire said: If you are going to apply for this you might as well apply for a 243 and shoot them yourself With the way things are going, his FEO will probably demand he has mentoring, before they will allow him a centre fire rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: With the way things are going, his FEO will probably demand he has mentoring, before they will allow him a centre fire rifle. It's a posabilty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 12 hours ago, Rim Fire said: If you are going to apply for this you might as well apply for a 243 and shoot them yourself And don't worry about not knowing everything about firearms as you only had a .22lr and that's what applied to you You don't need slugs, AAA and thats enough. No need for any application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, oowee said: You don't need slugs, AAA and thats enough. No need for any application. Up to about twenty yards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, oowee said: You don't need slugs, AAA and thats enough. No need for any application. You will need to be within 30mtrs at least for a humane kill Edited January 8, 2023 by Rim Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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