mickanles Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Picked up a Hatsan 410 this morning First impressions not bad, 5 chokes. Looking forward to giving it a go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
243ack Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Just sent one back. Cartridges would not eject; blowing primers completely out of shell. Tried 5 different brands of 3" cartridges. I cannot see how it passed proof. Please let us know how you get on with yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickanles Posted January 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 19 minutes ago, 243ack said: Just sent one back. Cartridges would not eject; blowing primers completely out of shell. Tried 5 different brands of 3" cartridges. I cannot see how it passed proof. Please let us know how you get on with yours. That’s bad news Lets hope that it was a one off Will keep you updated 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 What does it recycle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 4 hours ago, 243ack said: Just sent one back. Cartridges would not eject; blowing primers completely out of shell. Tried 5 different brands of 3" cartridges. I cannot see how it passed proof. Please let us know how you get on with yours. What load were they? Is say you'd probably have to go 19gram to get it to cycle but then I've never shot or even seen a 410 semin auto. Looks like if it cycles it will be great fun to use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) I took out my new 20 gauge version of exactly the same gun this morning. No problems, other than the usual getting used to an unfamilliar gun. I've always heard good things about Hatsans which is why I bought one. I'd certainly have considered a .410 version if I decided I wanted another, so I'm curious to hear how you get on too. I wonder whether the issue described above is the opposite of the issue one usually gets with gas semis and short cases? On the basis that the case creates the gas seal in the chamber which forces the combustion gas to go through the piston and that a short case means that seal holds less long, (ergo, semis sometimes struggle with short cases), I wonder whether the high pressure and long case of a 3" .410 cartridge is causing the opposite problem. By which I mean, the gas seal is held too long (in a gun also designed to handle shorter shells) and the weak point at some point in the pressure curve is the primer pocket. Hence popped primers and a sudden loss in pressure as the piston is halfway through it's travel (ergo, failure to cycle). I imagine 243ack was probably getting a flash out of the breech and a face full of gas either way...? Obviously that applies unless you're talking about the old-school Eley shells which have a well-known habit of tearing the front of the case to pieces (also afffecting gas seal and behaving like the short-case scenario). But 5 different brands - that's got to be something else. For the record, (and in case anyone digs this up with the words "Hatsan 20 gauge" in a search), mine seemed happy enough with the punchier of the two 21g shells I tried (Eley CT), in spite of a 65mm case, so I bought a slab. The other one I tried, Fiocchi TT, wouldn't cycle reliably, but I had no idea Fiocchi made soft cartridges like that - it was like shooting a BB gun. My son was disappointed as he rather liked them in his O/U but I'm not buying two brands of the same type of cartridge when one will do... Again, looking forward to a review of how it works out for you. Edited January 28, 2023 by neutron619 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 I'm still waiting for my .410 hatsan . But I've ordered a pump action .as I expected that the semi auto would have cycling issues .most small gauge sa. Do . Ps neutron how did the chokes work out on the 20b ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutron619 Posted February 4, 2023 Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 On 02/02/2023 at 11:26, Ultrastu said: Ps neutron how did the chokes work out on the 20b ? Regrettably I haven't had the chance to get out and pattern it yet, although I can say that on the clays, the "half" choke felt rather tight. Tried the "quarter" on some nearer in and instinctively I'd say it was looser, but I've no cardboard to prove any of that. Didn't notice much of a difference in the breaks or feel that I was hitting any that I'd have missed with the other one. It's still an unfamiliar gun though, so take all that with a handful of salt. Will update as and when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarepeg Posted February 4, 2023 Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 Have a Remington 1100 in 410, no problems at all if you use the right cartridges, doesnt like Fioci 3 inch, they tend to stick half way out on ejecting, reloads 1/2 ounce over 15 grains of SP3 no problem. gamebore 3 inch no problems either, full choke a bit of an Andy cap on skeet but it's fun,cheap to reload so it suits me.👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickanles Posted February 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 Not a very good start I’m afraid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 4, 2023 Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, mickanles said: Not a very good start I’m afraid Take them back and send a email to express very dangerous thing to happen to a cartridge in a semi auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickanles Posted February 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Take them back and send a email to express very dangerous thing to happen to a cartridge in a semi auto Yes Will be going back first thing Monday 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 4, 2023 Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 19 minutes ago, mickanles said: Yes Will be going back first thing Monday 👍🏻 Pm sent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowchaser Posted February 4, 2023 Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 Armsan (or their importers) stopped selling their .410 semi auto in the UK due to this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 5, 2023 Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 Spoke to a gun shop about this today they had exactly the same issue returned both theirs to the supplier (sports man gun Centre) apparently is a firing pin issue being the wrong type too long and powerfull that it knocks the brass loose or the primer out - that's what I was told .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickanles Posted February 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Ultrastu said: Spoke to a gun shop about this today they had exactly the same issue returned both theirs to the supplier (sports man gun Centre) apparently is a firing pin issue being the wrong type too long and powerfull that it knocks the brass loose or the primer out - that's what I was told .... Thanks for putting this up Will get in touch with shop this week & see what they want to do, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted February 5, 2023 Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 This is a shame… I was just considering upgrading my Norinco .410 for a multi shot of some kind and those Hatsans seemed ideal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriskent Posted February 5, 2023 Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 1 hour ago, humperdingle said: This is a shame… I was just considering upgrading my Norinco .410 for a multi shot of some kind and those Hatsans seemed ideal. Well tbh, if it is the above problem being the firing pin is too long. That’s a very simple fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted February 5, 2023 Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, Chriskent said: Well tbh, if it is the above problem being the firing pin is too long. That’s a very simple fix. Well yeh but i’m not buying a brand new gun just to have to fix it before I can safely shoot it… i’m sure they’ll do a recall if all those affected make a complaint 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarepeg Posted February 5, 2023 Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 I would think the head parting is more a cartridge problem, and have seen it a few times. BUT if the chamber is rough? It doesn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
243ack Posted February 5, 2023 Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 Not got mine back yet - 'still testing' - not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted February 5, 2023 Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 Which of course shows the worthlessness of the Proof Act. For if proof were (in 2022) about consumer safety rather than a makework scheme for the otherwise unemployable would this issue not have been detected on the gun being proof fired? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted February 5, 2023 Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 I'm personally not too convinced by the firing pin line .it sounds more like a timing issue to me .ie the bolt is coming rearward too early in the whole cycle . This is probably caused by either a very weak spring or /and a light bolt or /and too big a gas ports that action the bolt . This would lead to a bolt coming back too early while there is still significant pressure inside the case meaning the brass gets ripped off cos the plastic is still being pushed hard into the breech walls and sticking while extraction is taking place . It may not be but it seems more plausibly than the firing pin to me . This would also explain why so far its only the semi autos having issues and not the pumpers . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Posted February 5, 2023 Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 I have a Remington 1100 in 410 and never had a problem with various brands being ejected never had a primer blow out never had brass pulled off the plastic Either I use my home loads and like fiocchi cartridges i had a armsan 410 and continually had primers blow out and cartridges not being ejected this went back to the supplier who told me there was a problem and I had a full refund i will get a hatsan 410 to use with tss for fowl and in the pigeon hide I’m not going to use my cherished Remington on the small bore hunters fb group there are a few guys who have the hatsan 410s tested various cartridges and have had no problems with them One stripped the gun cleaned any factory grease and any machining debris cleaned the gas port oiled and reassembled the gun and had no problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted February 5, 2023 Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 As for firing pins, many years ago supervising range firing of a GPMG an officer cadet was having multiple stoppages. I told him to strip and clean the weapon as it was obviously a gas stoppage. On stripping he brought me the firing pin and asked if I thought it was sharp enough as the end was rounded. 🤣 I of course sent him to the most senior officer on the day for it sharpening with his pocket sharpener. Last time I saw him he was a Brigadier🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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