old man Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) Looking to change from an old 44 mm Nikko to a lightish weight slick operating side focus job. Shooting out to 80yds max. Recommendations please. Thanks. Edited March 21, 2023 by old man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 Hawke compact 6 - 24 x50 Excellent scopes very clear optics best of the hawke range imo . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 As above Hawk do some good scopes and work work with NV addons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manthing Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 Not sure if anybody else has mentioned that Hawke make some very good scopes at their price point. 😉😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
222mark Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 MTC viper connect 3-12x24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 Hello, have to agree on Hawke 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 Same here Hawke gets my vote got the .same scope on all my air rifles and rimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) If you use the hawke amx ret and zero at 40 yds I'm presuming your shooting a .22 around 900 fps . If you use 15 x mag you should have 5 yd intervals out to around 75 yds After that it goes off a bit - but then you can dial the turrets for drop , which it does extremely well , Edited March 21, 2023 by Ultrastu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted March 21, 2023 Report Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 hours ago, manthing said: Not sure if anybody else has mentioned that Hawke make some very good scopes at their price point. 😉😁 Everyone seems to recommend Hawke scopes. Why have I never looked through one which has impressed me? Ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted March 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 11 hours ago, Ultrastu said: If you use the hawke amx ret and zero at 40 yds I'm presuming your shooting a .22 around 900 fps . If you use 15 x mag you should have 5 yd intervals out to around 75 yds After that it goes off a bit - but then you can dial the turrets for drop , which it does extremely well , Thanks.all and Stu, running at 30ftlb with AA 16grn. Used to use Chair gun but won't work on chromebook. Weight for freehand shots always a problem now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 hours ago, old man said: Thanks.all and Stu, running at 30ftlb with AA 16grn. Used to use Chair gun but won't work on chromebook. Weight for freehand shots always a problem now. Field or Hunter pellets? c922 ft/sec MV0 perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manthing Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 14 hours ago, London Best said: Everyone seems to recommend Hawke scopes. Why have I never looked through one which has impressed me? Ever! The op asked for recommendations, I am happy to recommend them as a piece of equipment and as a company. It's fine if people like different things, healthy competition means choice, which is good. As to why you're not impressed 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 hours ago, old man said: Thanks.all and Stu, running at 30ftlb with AA 16grn. Used to use Chair gun but won't work on chromebook. Weight for freehand shots always a problem now. The airmax compact range is pretty light for the magnification though does have a 30 mm tube . If you have the phone app chair gun you can use it to dail in drop values into the top turret coupled with a rangefinder its proven to be very accurate even out to 150 yds for me . 2 minutes ago, manthing said: The op asked for recommendations, I am happy to recommend them as a piece of equipment and as a company. It's fine if people like different things, healthy competition means choice, which is good. As to why you're not impressed 🤷🏻♂️ Reason why I've only got hawke scopes is that chairgun was designed along side the reticules . This makes for a formidable combination for predicting drop, windage , energy, distance etc etc there are different levels of glass in there scopes (obviously) from budget to excellent . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted March 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 4 hours ago, wymberley said: Field or Hunter pellets? c922 ft/sec MV0 perhaps. Field sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 18 hours ago, London Best said: Everyone seems to recommend Hawke scopes. Why have I never looked through one which has impressed me? Ever! when was the last time you looked through one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, old man said: Field sir. If you'd care to give me your preferred zero and also your sight height (centre of bore to centre of object lens) I'll see what's what but will have to assume the 30 ftlbs, ie 922 ft/sec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted March 22, 2023 Report Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Rim Fire said: when was the last time you looked through one About ten days ago. Firstly, I have only ever used two scopes which would not hold zero. A Nikko Sterling which I owned and a Hawke fitted on a borrowed .243 in Africa. Also, neither of them had impressive optics. Secondly, I am probably accustomed to better quality scopes on my rifles (not counting air rifles). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, London Best said: About ten days ago. Firstly, I have only ever used two scopes which would not hold zero. A Nikko Sterling which I owned and a Hawke fitted on a borrowed .243 in Africa. Also, neither of them had impressive optics. Secondly, I am probably accustomed to better quality scopes on my rifles (not counting air rifles). As for not holding zero i think you will find thousands of shooters would disagree with that myself included as for the latter fair enough but he only wants it for a FAC rated air rifle so why would you pay a thousand pound plus Edited March 23, 2023 by Rim Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 27 minutes ago, Rim Fire said: As for not holding zero i think you will find thousands of shooters would disagree with that myself included as for the latter fair enough but he only wants it for a FAC rated air rifle so why would you pay a thousand pound plus Fair comments, but it does not alter my impression that every time I look through somebody’s Hawke scope I am unimpressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 I should imagine .the difference can be in people's eyes . I know some scopes suit some eyes better than others mtc for example I find poor (or have done in the past .) And there are certainly some hawke scopes I've looked through that could be better. The old addage swap and sell your guns as you please but keep hold of your best scope for ever , is true . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: I should imagine .the difference can be in people's eyes . I know some scopes suit some eyes better than others mtc for example I find poor (or have done in the past .) And there are certainly some hawke scopes I've looked through that could be better. The old addage swap and sell your guns as you please but keep hold of your best scope for ever , is true . Very true, Stu. There are, I believe, different grades of Hawke. I have no idea which models I have used/looked through, but all have seemed poor to me. I have only used one MTC, on a Daystate, and thought it to be rubbish, starting with a capital ‘S’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 Fair enough .that's why I keep recommending the hawke airmax compact 6- 24 x50 I have one and the image is the best I've looked through yet .it beats my much more expensive 24x sidewinder hands down .which is a good scope but there is clearer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted March 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, wymberley said: If you'd care to give me your preferred zero and also your sight height (centre of bore to centre of object lens) I'll see what's what but will have to assume the 30 ftlbs, ie 922 ft/sec. Thank you but on rethinking I will stay with the Nikko as it's reliable. As regards others, my worst ever for losing zero was an MTC. Thanks all, it was an interesting exercise. Edited March 23, 2023 by old man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 I've been working on what to do with my R-10 SE FAC while it's away having a new regulator fitted so this was virtually already done just had to enter your specifics (zero is 50 yards, sight height 1.5"). If it looks as though it'll be of help, but needs the 2 points correcting, just sing out: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 23, 2023 Report Share Posted March 23, 2023 7 hours ago, London Best said: Very true, Stu. There are, I believe, different grades of Hawke. I have no idea which models I have used/looked through, but all have seemed poor to me. I have only used one MTC, on a Daystate, and thought it to be rubbish, starting with a capital ‘S’. My guess is the scopes you've looked through weren't set up for you, eye relief, focus little things that you'd mess with when setting up, but not when it's on someone else's gun. For what it's worth I'm really impressed with the Optisan EVE 4-16x44pi I've got on my R10, really clear great ret, but I was surprised by the size and weight of it being a 30mm tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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