Alfie1234 Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 Contemplating introducing the grandson (7years old very small build)into clays he’s been shooting air rifle a short while. so understands gun safety ect. want him to start with an o/u and Iv seen a junior 410 which seems ok. but thought I’d asked people opinions/experiences on a cheap reliable gun. thanks in advance Dom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 Dom These things are usually passed around as children/grandchildren outgrow them. Post something in the wanted section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 (edited) I have had the same decision with my ten year old. I think that small hands cannot handle cocking the hammers on old style semi-hammerless side by side or single barrel guns. So such as the El Chimbo I have ruled out. Indeed my similar Armas Parkremy I have listed for sale here for the same reason. Next I'd discount any hammerless single barrel or over and under or side by side that doesn't 1) Open with a conventional top lever and also 2) Doesn't have a conventional push forward top tang safety catch. Last or rather first the longer the barrel the more weight and the harder for a small child to use. Therefore, ideally, I'd be looking at somethimg with 26" barrels and that actually does weigh as a .410" should! I've seen many side by side .410" guns that weigh as much as a 20 bore of the identical barrel length! So my advice for the OP as oppose to my general advice? Get a over and under that has shorter barrels, has a conventional top lever and tang safety and of at all possible can be purchased with a purpose made "junior" stock but at the same time (to put to one side) a proper length adult stock. I hope the advice helps. Finally multi-choke if possible so that at earl stages open chokes can be used to ensure hits on easy short distance targets be they clay birds or real birds or squirrels. Oh...and no larger that #7 shot! And remember any single barrel gun will accustom him to the same sight picture as he'll see with an over and under gun. Which is why I have this, albeit it is a single barrel, for my ten year old. Top lever, conventional push forward tang safety. Italian. Edited January 20 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 (edited) hello, a Yildiz 410 with a junior stock ?? This one should have a safety catch which i think so important for Youngsters, Edited January 20 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 Be careful of buying ANY folding gun, unless it has a stop of some sort. A folding gun that completely folds, is a pig to carry for a youngster. It can badly bruise his arm, if it closes on it. I kept my Grandson's on an air rifle until they were able to handle a 28 bore. Similar load to a .410, just a better all round calibre, with a wider choice of cartridges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfie1234 Posted January 20 Author Report Share Posted January 20 4 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Dom These things are usually passed around as children/grandchildren outgrow them. Post something in the wanted section. Good call il get that done thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 5 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, a Yildiz 410 with a junior stock ?? This one should have a safety catch which i think so important for Youngsters, This is sound advice. A 26” Yildiz 410 is a great starter gun. Anything bigger in gauge or barrel length tends to weigh too heavy on their arms and shoulders - gravity pulls the gun down. With the most open chokes possible and Eley 410 ‘Trap’ 14 gram 7 1/2, the youngsters can really star burst clays. Important to have easier beginner type clays also - incoming ones that hang in the air for a second. Just get them hitting and smiling to start. P.S I have the above gun which has been hammered endlessly by many youngsters (and dads) and it’s still going strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted January 20 Report Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Fellside said: This is sound advice. A 26” Yildiz 410 is a great starter gun. Anything bigger in gauge or barrel length tends to weigh too heavy on their arms and shoulders - gravity pulls the gun down. With the most open chokes possible and Eley 410 ‘Trap’ 14 gram 7 1/2, the youngsters can really star burst clays. Important to have easier beginner type clays also - incoming ones that hang in the air for a second. Just get them hitting and smiling to start. P.S I have the above gun which has been hammered endlessly by many youngsters (and dads) and it’s still going strong. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 I think 7 years old is 5 years too soon . For a shot gun .I didn't start mine till 14 years old and then I used a .410. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Ultrastu said: I think 7 years old is 5 years too soon . For a shot gun .I didn't start mine till 14 years old and then I used a .410. Each case will be different, of course, but I would largely agree 3 to 5 years too young at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 I was mentoring a young lad in the village when he was 10. Back then he used a Baikel sxs .410. He’s 12 now and I still mentor him. He’s much taller now but still a slight built lad, and now uses a Kofs OU 20 bore. I think much depends on the build of the child concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 If the OP gives his grandson no more than 3 shots in succession, rest, sweets, then another 3 shots etc, etc, it should work. Very light cart’s and easy clays. Keep it all positive and fun. Show him the grown ups shooting at clays around the shooting ground, back to the club house for a bacon butty and a hot chocolate. Give him the empty shell to take home from the first clay he hits - they love that! And never underestimate how much they like pressing the button to make clays whizz through the air for someone else to shoot. Its normal for us but hugely novel for them. So basically a whole positive experience - don’t overdo the shooting to make his arms tired. If he’s keen he’ll want to go again….and they usually are keen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Fellside said: If the OP gives his grandson no more than 3 shots in succession, rest, sweets, then another 3 shots etc, etc, it should work. Very light cart’s and easy clays. Keep it all positive and fun. Show him the grown ups shooting at clays around the shooting ground, back to the club house for a bacon butty and a hot chocolate. Give him the empty shell to take home from the first clay he hits - they love that! And never underestimate how much they like pressing the button to make clays whizz through the air for someone else to shoot. Its normal for us but hugely novel for them. So basically a whole positive experience - don’t overdo the shooting to make his arms tired. If he’s keen he’ll want to go again….and they usually are keen. All sounds good for the shooting its a shame that the poor diet being encouraged is likely to lead to health conditions later. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted January 23 Report Share Posted January 23 5 minutes ago, oowee said: All sounds good for the shooting its a shame that the poor diet being encouraged is likely to lead to health conditions later. 🤣 Ha ha 😂No it’s not an issue as I eat half of their sweets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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