amateur Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 48 minutes ago, discobob said: Grant will be happy when we have to queue for bread - and he is cruising along in the ZIL Lane!!😂😂 👍🏻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, discobob said: Grant will be happy when we have to queue for bread - and he is cruising along in the ZIL Lane!!😂😂 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 3 hours ago, oowee said: Bhattyany foundation ect Is there any real evidence that Russia funds them ? I think not , outside of the fevered imagination of left wing conspiracy theorists, and if there is is any link to Trump , its extremely tenuous. 3 hours ago, oowee said: Project 2025 plan proposes a swift takeover of the executive branch proposing that the President has absolute power. "In the Mandate's foreword, the Heritage Foundation president Kevin Roberts writes: "The long march of cultural Marxism through our institutions has come to pass. The federal government is a behemoth, weaponized against American citizens and conservative values, with freedom and liberty under siege as never before." Are they wrong ? Blair did a similar thing when he came to power, he put left wing thinking into government departments, the civil service, the effects of which are still being felt today. The tories , for all their faults, cannot govern properly while the civil service fails to do its job properly because of its ingrained left wing ideology. It sounds like the incoming Trump government wont be hobbled by this. Its not an attack on democracy, its a restoration of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: It sounds like the incoming Trump government wont be hobbled by this. So....basically, it's Draining the Swamp 2.0, only this time there's a vague plan. It should be stated that Wikipedia is about as reliable a guide as any manifesto, and anyone quoting either source as some kind of marker of what will happen is either dishonest or naïve. 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: The tories , for all their faults, cannot govern properly while the civil service fails to do its job properly because of its ingrained left wing ideology. Indeed; I have no clue how you combat that, other that is than being Labour, and trying to implement mostly the same policies. I did once posit on here that the NHS would magically improve the day labour gets into power, despite the fact they will not have had time to implement anything, because all the activists employed by the NHS will suddenly start doing their jobs when the 'evel torreees' are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 15 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: So....basically, it's Draining the Swamp 2.0, only this time there's a vague plan. It should be stated that Wikipedia is about as reliable a guide as any manifesto, and anyone quoting either source as some kind of marker of what will happen is either dishonest or naïve. Indeed; I have no clue how you combat that, other that is than being Labour, and trying to implement mostly the same policies. I did once posit on here that the NHS would magically improve the day labour gets into power, despite the fact they will not have had time to implement anything, because all the activists employed by the NHS will suddenly start doing their jobs when the 'evel torreees' are gone. Agreed on all points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, udderlyoffroad said: all the activists employed by the NHS will suddenly start doing their jobs when the 'evel torreees' are gone. I cant see this happening as it did not under B Liar/Broon despite them throwing money at the NHS for 10 years. They just kept demanding more "to maintain the differentials" don't you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 9 hours ago, Rewulf said: Is there any real evidence that Russia funds them ? I think not , outside of the fevered imagination of left wing conspiracy theorists, and if there is is any link to Trump , its extremely tenuous. 🤣 Please. Take an hour and watch 'Active Measures' Trump Towers 🤣 more washing than a Chinese laundry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 Whilst Trump is not squeaky clean, he doesn't go around fondling young girls. That is Biden territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 29 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Whilst Trump is not squeaky clean, he doesn't go around fondling young girls. That is Biden territory. Watch 'Active Measures' then tell me that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 Biden has made a career of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 On 11/03/2024 at 07:22, oowee said: There are so many on here who are truly bad at detecting door handles. Trump and Boris either side of a lying doorway. 🤣 The last thing the world needs is a dictator, or Russia sycophant in the US. Trump supports both. I think that's nonsense. Trump is just protectionest of the USA, he sees little point in rubbing half the world up the wrong way trying to police them and unless Russia threatens the USA, he's not interested. Trump loves himself too much to care for the likes of Putin or anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 15 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: I think that's nonsense. Trump is just protectionest of the USA, he sees little point in rubbing half the world up the wrong way trying to police them and unless Russia threatens the USA, he's not interested. Trump loves himself too much to care for the likes of Putin or anyone else. Trump is clearly on the Russian payroll. Look at Trump Towers (around the world). Watch the program 'Active Measures'. The Russian war in Ukraine threatens us all. If you doubt this look at the spending now on arms by Europe. Trumps rhetoric backing Putin over his own president undermines the values democracies value and are based on. His Agenda 25 sets out removing the checks and balances that hold a leader to account, (Judiciary, FBI, CIA). His agenda talks of removing the US from the institutions that form the framework of freedom for the West. He proposes ultimate power for his presidency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 9 minutes ago, oowee said: Trump is clearly on the Russian payroll. Look at Trump Towers (around the world). Watch the program 'Active Measures'. The Russian war in Ukraine threatens us all. If you doubt this look at the spending now on arms by Europe. Trumps rhetoric backing Putin over his own president undermines the values democracies value and are based on. His Agenda 25 sets out removing the checks and balances that hold a leader to account, (Judiciary, FBI, CIA). His agenda talks of removing the US from the institutions that form the framework of freedom for the West. He proposes ultimate power for his presidency. Does he have a white cat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 10 minutes ago, oowee said: Trump is clearly on the Russian payroll. Look at Trump Towers (around the world). Watch the program 'Active Measures'. The Russian war in Ukraine threatens us all. If you doubt this look at the spending now on arms by Europe. Trumps rhetoric backing Putin over his own president undermines the values democracies value and are based on. His Agenda 25 sets out removing the checks and balances that hold a leader to account, (Judiciary, FBI, CIA). His agenda talks of removing the US from the institutions that form the framework of freedom for the West. He proposes ultimate power for his presidency. You two should team up for a double act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 Quote Does he have a white cat? Ironically played by Donald Pleasence in "You only live twice". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 11 minutes ago, oowee said: His Agenda 25 sets out removing the checks and balances that hold a leader to account, (Judiciary, FBI, CIA). This would be the FBI who ordered social media companies to suppress the Hunter Biden Laptop story? This is not some conspiracy theory, Zuckerberg has testified to this effect before a senate committee. The FBI shouldn't be interfering in elections because a story is inconvenient for their preferred candidate. The FBI who is keep lists of parents who speak against the latest ideaology* at PTA meetings? We are sure we're not looking for accountability to the executive branch? Back on topic, Biden was telling potential voters to 'send him to congress' at the weekend. Except he's running for president. You wouldn't trust him to look after your dog, let alone watch the kids. * J. Edna Hoover's legacy lives on, clearly. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 26 minutes ago, oowee said: Trump is clearly on the Russian payroll I'm sorry Grant , but the left have spent 8 years trying to prove that, and failed , but you say its 'clear' ? Do you have any proof whatsoever , that the CIA, FBI , MI6 couldn't find ? Or is it a case of 'Tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 51 minutes ago, oowee said: Trump is clearly on the Russian payroll. Look at Trump Towers (around the world). Watch the program 'Active Measures'. The Russian war in Ukraine threatens us all. If you doubt this look at the spending now on arms by Europe. Trumps rhetoric backing Putin over his own president undermines the values democracies value and are based on. His Agenda 25 sets out removing the checks and balances that hold a leader to account, (Judiciary, FBI, CIA). His agenda talks of removing the US from the institutions that form the framework of freedom for the West. He proposes ultimate power for his presidency. I don't think that for a second. Trump is a narcasist, but he's rich enough not to need to follow the establishment rule book and I believe he wants to go down in history as the president who changed the USA for the better. He doesn't need money, he doesn't need power, he doesn't need influence given to him from those already in power. He wants admiration from the people in the USA. And I think it says something about the state of politics that it takes a narcissist billionaire to make decent changes for the little people over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 34 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Or is it a case of 'Tell a lie often enough, it becomes the truth' ? A classic tactic of the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 31 minutes ago, Penelope said: A classic tactic of the left. Ain't it just Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, oowee said: Watch the program 'Active Measures'. You seem quite excited about this, so lets examine it in some more detail. Jack Bryan directed and wrote this , and put it on general release in 2018, and about 2 people watched it, Hilary and Whoopi loved it. The film was likely made during 2016/17 just as Trump came to power, and likely funded by democrat money. By his own admission, Bryan didnt want to tell both sides of the story, as he didnt want the 'message' infected with fake news, the only problem was , he used the Steele dossier as a prominent part of the information used in the film, a dossier produced by an 'ex' MI6 agent and wholly funded by the DNC, and which has been soundly debunked as err, fake news, by just about everyone that matters. Even Steele himself, during his numerous libel cases defending it , has admitted that some parts of the dossier were only 50 % true (in his opinion) Now when a man admits his own work is only half true, I reckon hes being kind to himself, and we can safely knock it down another 25% So after the FBI , NSA and CIA investigation into Russian collusion in the Trump administration during his entire presidency, several failed impeachments, and come up with nothing damning, we are to believe a lefty film maker with dubious backers 'knows the truth' ? The timing of its re release on streaming channels during Trumps presidential re run is also highly suspect, and relies on media assumptions of peoples gullibility on believing 8 year old disproved information. As they say (somewhere) 'There are lies, damn lies, and there is the MSM' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Rewulf said: You seem quite excited about this, so lets examine it in some more detail. Jack Bryan directed and wrote this , and put it on general release in 2018, and about 2 people watched it, Hilary and Whoopi loved it. The film was likely made during 2016/17 just as Trump came to power, and likely funded by democrat money. By his own admission, Bryan didnt want to tell both sides of the story, as he didnt want the 'message' infected with fake news, the only problem was , he used the Steele dossier as a prominent part of the information used in the film, a dossier produced by an 'ex' MI6 agent and wholly funded by the DNC, and which has been soundly debunked as err, fake news, by just about everyone that matters. Even Steele himself, during his numerous libel cases defending it , has admitted that some parts of the dossier were only 50 % true (in his opinion) Now when a man admits his own work is only half true, I reckon hes being kind to himself, and we can safely knock it down another 25% So after the FBI , NSA and CIA investigation into Russian collusion in the Trump administration during his entire presidency, several failed impeachments, and come up with nothing damning, we are to believe a lefty film maker with dubious backers 'knows the truth' ? The timing of its re release on streaming channels during Trumps presidential re run is also highly suspect, and relies on media assumptions of peoples gullibility on believing 8 year old disproved information. As they say (somewhere) 'There are lies, damn lies, and there is the MSM' You forgot to put :mikedrop: at the end 😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 38 minutes ago, discobob said: You forgot to put :mikedrop: at the end 😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 Let's call a day on this one, i am sure there will be many more trump/binden threads in the coming months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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