Rewulf Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 Just to expose the hypocrisy of misinformation claims, have a look at the level of MSM misinformation regarding Trump. Start at 4 mins if you're pushed for time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 4 hours ago, Rewulf said: Just to expose the hypocrisy of misinformation claims, have a look at the level of MSM misinformation regarding Trump. Start at 4 mins if you're pushed for time. That's why we need to keep the BBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 Just now, oowee said: That's why we need to keep the BBC. Are you joking ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 51 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Are you joking ? What would you suggest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 (edited) I think we ought to keep the BBC. Where else would we get a loony left, woke view from? The days when the BBC was an impartial, respected news service are long gone. Edited March 29 by Gordon R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 25 minutes ago, oowee said: What would you suggest? What real purpose does the BBC serve ? Back in the day, when no other channels existed, it was an important part of getting information out to the masses, it was not impartial though, it was a government funded, and controlled mouthpiece, and everyone understood that. Back in the 60s , when the first offshore 'pirate' stations started up, the government threw a wobbler, these people were unregulated, they could say whatever they liked , without checking with the powers that be first ! Afterwards, when commercial radio and TV stations came about, with government licences, they could show a different aspect, but if they stepped out of line, you know those licences would have been pulled. Fast forward to today, and look at the angst that channels like GB news causes, continual calls for it to be shut down, claims of racism, homophobia, despite many of its presenters being minorities , and/or gay. But they are regulated, and have a code of standards they must adhere to, they simply push the envelope. Is that a bad thing ? Its alright saying Russia, China ect dont have a free press, that simply cant question the government ect, but to what extent can we without being shut down ? But then you suggest MORE regulation , just in case some foreign power posts something on Tik tok that questions the accepted narrative. They banned RT UK because it might have mentioned something about Ukraine they didnt want you to hear, even though its a UK regulated broadcaster, they want to ban Tik tok for the same reason. What happened to people making up their own minds on what the truth is, or isnt ? Its not like our government is a bunch of trustworthy souls, with a perfect record of integrity is it ? In my opinion, the BBC can stay , but as a government controlled, but not public funded, the whole TV licence issue is an obscenity in itself. Let them go commercial, and see how their culture of woke ism fares on the open market, meanwhile Id like to see more outlets like GB news, but with less news reports, more independence, and more UK orientated, we have enough left wing media, its time to balance out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 Just now, Rewulf said: What real purpose does the BBC serve ? Back in the day, when no other channels existed, it was an important part of getting information out to the masses, it was not impartial though, it was a government funded, and controlled mouthpiece, and everyone understood that. Back in the 60s , when the first offshore 'pirate' stations started up, the government threw a wobbler, these people were unregulated, they could say whatever they liked , without checking with the powers that be first ! Afterwards, when commercial radio and TV stations came about, with government licences, they could show a different aspect, but if they stepped out of line, you know those licences would have been pulled. Fast forward to today, and look at the angst that channels like GB news causes, continual calls for it to be shut down, claims of racism, homophobia, despite many of its presenters being minorities , and/or gay. But they are regulated, and have a code of standards they must adhere to, they simply push the envelope. Is that a bad thing ? Its alright saying Russia, China ect dont have a free press, that simply cant question the government ect, but to what extent can we without being shut down ? But then you suggest MORE regulation , just in case some foreign power posts something on Tik tok that questions the accepted narrative. They banned RT UK because it might have mentioned something about Ukraine they didnt want you to hear, even though its a UK regulated broadcaster, they want to ban Tik tok for the same reason. What happened to people making up their own minds on what the truth is, or isnt ? Its not like our government is a bunch of trustworthy souls, with a perfect record of integrity is it ? In my opinion, the BBC can stay , but as a government controlled, but not public funded, the whole TV licence issue is an obscenity in itself. Let them go commercial, and see how their culture of woke ism fares on the open market, meanwhile Id like to see more outlets like GB news, but with less news reports, more independence, and more UK orientated, we have enough left wing media, its time to balance out. If it's commercial it can be bought. If its government it can be swayed. GB news is a load of ....... Your statement we have enough left wing media sums it up. We have enough paid for media. The BBC is the nearest we have to independent, lets keep it that way. The government in power is likely to see BBC bias against it as it is the government in power. Better to give the BBC x million settlement from each 5 year term parliament going forward (fixed by statute) a new remit to investigate and examine the performance of each government going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 Better to let the BBC fund itself. If it is the bastion of truth and impartiality that some claim, then surley it will survive. I doubt it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 11 minutes ago, oowee said: If it's commercial it can be bought. If its government it can be swayed. GB news is a load of ....... We need balanced news/dramas , we are fed left wing wokey drivel hour by hour. I rarely watch any of the terrestrial channels now, they just cant help throwing out the same old BS that their owners/handlers tell them to, conditioning us to believe that men really can become women, illegal migrants only come here to work hard and pay our pensions, and that anyone who questions this is an unhinged nazi, and you must not listen to them. Thats not balanced reporting, thats brainwashing us to believe in their version of normal. If I locked someone away from birth , and taught them that they must eat bugs to save the planet from deadly CO2 ,white people were inherently racist , and biological sex was just a construct, how long do you think it would take them to realise this was not true once they were let out ? These days , a long, long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 (edited) I agree GBN is right of centre and sometimes well right - but to be fair they go some way to balance with lefty opinions allowed - albeit fairly well put down. Edited March 29 by Dave-G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 9 minutes ago, oowee said: The BBC is the nearest we have to independent, lets keep it that way. The government in power is likely to see BBC bias against it as it is the government in power. Actually the closest we have to independant media... is the independants, whether it is Brand, Rogan, Tousi, The Duran, X (Formerly known as Twittter) and others, legacy media with all it's bias is dying or already dead. Going forward people are going to listen to those who they believe are trustworthy, the BBC is it not one of them. Whilst the BBC might suit very left leaning bias, it alienates over half the country because of it as it is not a genuine organisation reporting openly on the news without bias, otherwise they would have embedded journalists in the Russian military reporting openly on their news, not just parroting the Ukranian proclaimations from journalists based within the Ukranian military. The reason the EU and UK immediate shutdown the Russian media organisations at the start of the war was so that the facts supplied by Western bias media could not be questioned or verified easily and the majority of the population accepts them at face value. As a result, even when verification is provided, because it does not suit the legacy media narrative, people reject evidence out of hand as they have only been fed #### by the legacy media and have little understanding as to what is actually happening. Last year there were (not quite parades) celebrations over the fact that Ukraine was able to keep their electricity grid up and running (because the Russians were attacking the transmission grid which can be repaired relatively easily), this last week Russia is now conducting their 'shock and awe' tactics learned from the West and are now hitting the control rooms of all of Ukraines electricity plants and the grid is going down and cannot be brought back up for months, if not years as the control equipment being destroyed is no longer produced in Ukraine (or the West) - A secondry target was Europes largest gas storage facility - part of a Ukrainian network used by the EU to store gas (almost 30bcm - 1/3 of EU storage) and if that goes offline, EU electricity prices will sky rocket, as will the UKs next winter. Russia is now applying the pressure to collapse Ukraine as a functioning society, no electricity, no gas, no water, no trains, etc etc...... Go and try and find that on the BBC.... not a word, instead bleating on about stuff relating to Ukraine that doesn't actually matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 9 minutes ago, Dave-G said: I agree GBN is right of centre and sometimes well right - but to be fair they go some way to balance with lefty opinions allowed - albeit fairly well put down. If we leave it to the market the market will by it's nature fund the right of politics hardly a balanced view point. They will be bought by our enemies. Even Truth Social looks like it's now backed by China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 Quote If we leave it to the market the market will by it's nature fund the right of politics hardly a balanced view point. How does that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 Just now, Gordon R said: How does that work? The wealthy are most likely to be on the right of politics. The wealthy will have greater propensity to fund the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 8 minutes ago, oowee said: The wealthy will have greater propensity to fund the media. Doesn't seem to be happening at the moment the bulk of the MSM, the privately owned in addition to BBC, are rampantly left of centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Doesn't seem to be happening at the moment the bulk of the MSM, the privately owned in addition to BBC, are rampantly left of centre. Some may want to project a neutral or even left leaning stance but the motive will be power and profit a right wing objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 oowee - a fair attempt to have your cake and eat it. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 3 minutes ago, oowee said: Some may want to project a neutral or even left leaning stance but the motive will be power and profit a right wing objective. And the left are not in it for the same for themselves - pull the other leg it has bells on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 37 minutes ago, oowee said: The wealthy are most likely to be on the right of politics. The wealthy will have greater propensity to fund the media. That doesnt make sense, 80-90 % of commercial media is centre or left leaning, where are all these rich fascists with their own TV stations pumping out 'hate speech' ? 22 minutes ago, oowee said: Some may want to project a neutral or even left leaning stance but the motive will be power and profit a right wing objective. Mmmm , is power and profit = prosperity, a bad thing ? You often talk about prosperity and the country doing better under labour, but now youre saying we dont want these right wing objectives ? What are you actually saying ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 Quote What are you actually saying ? An explanation would help, as I was getting just a bit confused. Hence my comment "a fair attempt to have your cake and eat it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 23 minutes ago, Rewulf said: That doesnt make sense, 80-90 % of commercial media is centre or left leaning, where are all these rich fascists with their own TV stations pumping out 'hate speech' ? Mmmm , is power and profit = prosperity, a bad thing ? You often talk about prosperity and the country doing better under labour, but now youre saying we dont want these right wing objectives ? What are you actually saying ? Balance is what most of us want. Happy with prosperity, happy with profit but not at the expense of those less fortunate, disenfranchised. The country needs labour for balance following the disaster government we currently have. Our political system requires politics to flip as often as possible to maintain some measure of balance. If i recall you were the one that thought Trump and Boris had some merit. 🤣 It's often not about the colour of the party but the organisation within it. Starmer is making all the right noises to have a decent crack at change. That said he is unlikely to abolish the lords, get rid of first past the post, overhaul the NHS, tackle the war between Russia and Europe, resolve the Brexit disaster (maybe he will try). Meanwhile..... The rest of Europe is moving to a war time footing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 59 minutes ago, oowee said: Balance is what most of us want. Happy with prosperity, happy with profit but not at the expense of those less fortunate, disenfranchised. This has been the way of things since feudalism and before, the elites of the world would very much like us back in a quasi feudal , quasi communist state, leftism works toward those aims. 'You will own nothing....' - Because they will own everything. The right/conservatism rewards hard work, and regards advancement in prosperity as a reward for all. 1 hour ago, oowee said: If i recall you were the one that thought Trump and Boris had some merit. They do , they restore the balance , by shaking up politics, making people THINK. They both have flaws, it shows they are human. 1 hour ago, oowee said: Starmer is making all the right noises to have a decent crack at change Of course he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scobydog Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 Neither watched or listened to the bbc for years, can't be bothered wasting my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 3 hours ago, oowee said: The country needs labour for balance following the disaster government we currently have. Our political system requires politics to flip as often as Christ do you remember Blair and Brown?!?! They caused absolute chaos. I am not saying what we have right now is working, but genuinely think it would be alot worse under labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 29 Report Share Posted March 29 Can anyone of any party say what Starmer stands for? haven't a clue. He says little of substance and then retracts it. His position on Rayner is beyond pathetic. He seems to be positioning himself to say he was misled by her assurances of innocence. He should have checked her advice for himself and then either disowned her or backed her 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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