yickdaz Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Rem260 said: Why do believe he had no motive to carry out these dreadful murders other than he just wanted to kill. What are you basing this conclusion on. You decry others as single minded bigots yet you exhibit the same single minded denials without any evidence to the contrary. As far as I know we don’t have a reason yet for this dreadful act. 37 minutes ago, Rem260 said: Why do believe he had no motive to carry out these dreadful murders other than he just wanted to kill. What are you basing this conclusion on. You decry others as single minded bigots yet you exhibit the same single minded denials without any evidence to the contrary. As far as I know we don’t have a reason yet for this dreadful act. There doesn't have to a bigger end goal these attacks are designed to strike terror by being random nobody knows when they are coming from or where they are going to happen that's the whole point of them, the ones who plan it know they are almost impossible to weed out Edited August 2 by yickdaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 (edited) Hello, I think it likely the motive will never be known , all this young man has to do is say, No Comment , he will be charged on the Evidence , Sentenced in Court and given a Sentence that reflects the crime and most likely a whole life behind bars, Saying this his Lawyers might argue he was mentally unstable at the time of attack and plead guilty with Diminished Responsibility, What ever the out come it will never stop the pain and heart ache the families will suffer in loosing their children to such a heinous crime, Edited August 2 by oldypigeonpopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted August 2 Author Report Share Posted August 2 (edited) 21 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: What ever the out come it will never stop the pain and heat ache the families suffer in loosing their children to such a heinous crime, Nor will it stop it happening again. We need to do something about knife crime, but what, I have no idea. We can't ban knives, and it's already illegal to stab someone or carry one is most circumstances. I don't think harsher sentences, will deter it, and I'd dare say even the death penalty for the likes of this one, wouldn't have detered him. Perhaps corporal punishment, 100 lashes from the cat. Edited August 2 by Newbie to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 2 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Nor will it stop it happening again. We need to do something about knife crime, but what, I have no idea. We can't ban knives, and it's already illegal to stab someone or carry one is most circumstances. I don't think harsher sentences, will deter it, and I'd dare say even the death penalty for the likes of this one, wouldn't have deter him. Perhaps corporal punishment, 100 lashes from the cat. Hello, There is no easy answer 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 (edited) The point those with the large foreign flags are making is being ignored by the authorities and overlooks the agenda. Flag waving in the way some hard liners have done is a message that 'we have taken London from the kuffars' That racism seems to be OK because its done by very large numbers who know our authorities will let it slide rather than break it up because there is not the manpower to deal with it. Gullible individuals unfortunately (seems to me) have been influenced to carry out braver attacks to get some time with virgins, and yes 'the 17 years old' looks like a wrong un. Edited August 2 by Dave-G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 One of the kids in his school wrote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 (edited) 1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said: I’m not suggesting he had no motive, I’m just not speculating or prematurely concluded he did or what his motive might have been. I’m not denying anything either, but you are of course free to interpret what I write as you see fit. Show me where I’ve denied or concluded and I’ll issue an unreserved apology. And you’ve just said yourself we don’t have a motive for this dreadful act. Your response to luckyshot was dismissive of his reasoning and questioning his train of thought. You could have dismissed his assertions by using your below answer. ie "we don’t have a motive for this dreadful act." Instead you continued with your general negation "You believe the perp intended a bigger impact from his events than purely murdering and injuring innocent children and adults? Like there’s a bigger end goal?" Which to me sounds like you dismissed Luckyshot's concerns as being a fantasy without any possible creditability. Especially with your closing remark. "Like there’s a bigger end goal?" I have only asked you to clarify your train of thought in coming up with the answer you provided. Edited August 2 by Rem260 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 16 minutes ago, sportsbob said: One of the kids in his school wrote There you go Raja clavata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 25 minutes ago, sportsbob said: One of the kids in his school wrote Is this legit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 47 minutes ago, yickdaz said: There you go Raja clavata Beat me to it re motive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 44 minutes ago, Penelope said: Is this legit? https://videoclipxxx.xyz/so-cruel-axel-rudakubana-expelled-axel-muganwa-rueda-cubana-axel-muganwa-rudakubana-17-stephen-lawrence-grave-axel-muganwa-rudakuban-axel-muganwa-rudakubana-religion-stabbing-southport/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 2 hours ago, Penelope said: The fact is, any motive is pure speculation at present. Exactamundo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 1 hour ago, Rem260 said: Your response to luckyshot was dismissive of his reasoning and questioning his train of thought. You could have dismissed his assertions by using your below answer. ie "we don’t have a motive for this dreadful act." Instead you continued with your general negation "You believe the perp intended a bigger impact from his events than purely murdering and injuring innocent children and adults? Like there’s a bigger end goal?" Which to me sounds like you dismissed Luckyshot's concerns as being a fantasy without any possible creditability. Especially with your closing remark. "Like there’s a bigger end goal?" I have only asked you to clarify your train of thought in coming up with the answer you provided. Because luckyshot seemed to have decided the incident was a terrorist act. So I asked if he thought there was a bigger end goal which is normally the case in terrorist attacks. Terror is not the same as terrorist. That’s my train of thought, pure and simple. 1 hour ago, yickdaz said: There you go Raja clavata Read it yesterday. Previously read he had a different name and arrived illegally by boat last year. What to believe and when? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 1 hour ago, Penelope said: Is this legit? A very valid question that appears to have passed some by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: A very valid question that appears to have passed some by. With regards to motive please read the post directly above your last three , click on the link and make your own mind up, please feel free to do your own investigative research and if you come up with some tangible evidence to the contrary I would be very happy to agree with you. Edited August 2 by sportsbob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 7 minutes ago, sportsbob said: With regards to motive please read the post directly above your last three , click on the link and make your own mind up, please feel free to do your own investigative research and if you come up with some tangible evidence to the contrary I would be very happy to agree with you. I think your wasting your time he's a lost cause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 14 minutes ago, sportsbob said: With regards to motive please read the post directly above your last three , click on the link and make your own mind up, please feel free to do your own investigative research and if you come up with some tangible evidence to the contrary I would be very happy to agree with you. tangible evidence to counter yours? OK. 7 minutes ago, yickdaz said: I think your wasting your time he's a lost cause I'm delighted with your conclusion. Feel free to ignore me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 43 minutes ago, sportsbob said: https://videoclipxxx.xyz/so-cruel-axel-rudakubana-expelled-axel-muganwa-rueda-cubana-axel-muganwa-rudakubana-17-stephen-lawrence-grave-axel-muganwa-rudakuban-axel-muganwa-rudakubana-religion-stabbing-southport/ Mmmm, doesn't answer the question really, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 3 minutes ago, Penelope said: Mmmm, doesn't answer the question really, though. Then maybe the right question need to be asked to those who knew this person, his school and any other authority that has had dealings with him. But then you have to ask will all the truth come out. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 9 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: tangible evidence to counter yours? OK. I'm delighted with your conclusion. Feel free to ignore me. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 23 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: tangible evidence to counter yours? OK. Sorry to disappoint but I have concluded nothing, I am not fighting against you here but only trying to establish a potential motive. 30 minutes ago, Penelope said: Mmmm, doesn't answer the question really, though. Which question does it not answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 1 minute ago, sportsbob said: Which question does it not answer. Whether the item you posted is factual. Just 'cause it's on t'internet don't make it real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 Meet your local Rawandan Islamist Terrorist...... I give you Axel Redakubana..... who said to arresting officers... "I have done what Allah wanted" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 2 minutes ago, Stonepark said: Meet your local Rawandan Islamist Terrorist...... I give you Axel Redakubana..... who said to arresting officers... "I have done what Allah wanted" Well, looks as though the country will burn then, if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted August 2 Report Share Posted August 2 7 minutes ago, Stonepark said: Meet your local Rawandan Islamist Terrorist...... I give you Axel Redakubana..... who said to arresting officers... "I have done what Allah wanted" Do you have the source for your quote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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