PeterHenry Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 (edited) Hello All, Please could somone more knowledgeable than me confirm what's going on here? All photos taken today Edit - AYA no2 / brazed barrels Edited August 18 by PeterHenry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 appears the ribs havt been set properly....not hot enough or clean enough....flux i understand is hydroscopic and thus attatches moisture if you hang the barrels and gently tap them ....do they ring like a clear sounding gong ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feltwad Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 The top rib needs taken off and relaying because it s not seating properly and allowing water to enter the barrels Also the barrel muzzle ends are not a good job and not regulated Feltwad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 My feeling is the ribs need to be relayed. Rust under the ribs can pop them and will damage the tubes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 It needs some Tender Loving Care at the hands of a good Gunsmith, but you will have to decide whether the cost is warranted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted August 18 Author Report Share Posted August 18 1 hour ago, ditchman said: appears the ribs havt been set properly....not hot enough or clean enough....flux i understand is hydroscopic and thus attatches moisture if you hang the barrels and gently tap them ....do they ring like a clear sounding gong ? Thanks, thats very informative - they both ring nice and clear 1 hour ago, Feltwad said: The top rib needs taken off and relaying because it s not seating properly and allowing water to enter the barrels Also the barrel muzzle ends are not a good job and not regulated Feltwad Thanks - it shoots well enough. I got a right and left with it today, so I wouldn't have presumed it was poorly regulated. 28 minutes ago, Dave at kelton said: My feeling is the ribs need to be relayed. Rust under the ribs can pop them and will damage the tubes. Thanks - does the fact its an AYA / the barrels / ribs are brazed effect anything with relaying? 30 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: It needs some Tender Loving Care at the hands of a good Gunsmith, but you will have to decide whether the cost is warranted. Thanks - its one half of a pair, so it may end up being done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 Take it to a proper gunmaker and not just some gun shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 Hello, Henry, If you look under the barrels is there a small air hole ? i had this with a side by side, All i did was squirt some fine gun oil into the hole with the plastic tube , not WD, the oil went into the rib cavity and sorted rust problem, never needed a gunsmith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 As above, I have seen some work by Wisemans of Cannock and would recommend someone of similar barrel work skills, carry out the work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 This is the 'hole' in the bottom rib of my AyA No. 2. As said, it is there to allow flux or gasses to escape whilst the rib is being soldered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted August 18 Author Report Share Posted August 18 1 hour ago, London Best said: Take it to a proper gunmaker and not just some gun shop. 👍 will do. I'm lucky enough to have a working gunsmith 15 mins away. Only problem is he's not open on Monday / Tuesday. 1 hour ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Henry, If you look under the barrels is there a small air hole ? i had this with a side by side, All i did was squirt some fine gun oil into the hole with the plastic tube , not WD, the oil went into the rib cavity and sorted rust problem, never needed a gunsmith 👍 1 hour ago, Westley said: As above, I have seen some work by Wisemans of Cannock and would recommend someone of similar barrel work skills, carry out the work. 👍 53 minutes ago, Westley said: This is the 'hole' in the bottom rib of my AyA No. 2. As said, it is there to allow flux or gasses to escape whilst the rib is being soldered. @Westley @oldypigeonpopper there's the same 'hole' as in Westley's photo - but its likewise closed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 2 minutes ago, PeterHenry said: 👍 will do. I'm lucky enough to have a working gunsmith 15 mins away. Only problem is he's not open on Monday / Tuesday. 👍 👍 @Westley @oldypigeonpopper there's the same 'hole' as in Westley's photo - but its likewise closed up. Hello, Ok, on my side by side it was ok and just big enough to squirt some gun oil in as i mention, seeing as you near a smithy it would be easy to let them check out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 11 hours ago, PeterHenry said: Thanks, thats very informative - they both ring nice and clear Thanks - it shoots well enough. I got a right and left with it today, so I wouldn't have presumed it was poorly regulated. Thanks - does the fact its an AYA / the barrels / ribs are brazed effect anything with relaying? Thanks - its one half of a pair, so it may end up being done... I don’t have enough experience of practical gunmaking. I always used the trade in Birmingham to do my work. Now in Scotland I use Graham Mackinley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 9 hours ago, PeterHenry said: I'm lucky enough to have a working gunsmith 15 mins away. Only problem is he's not open on Monday / Tuesday. It's not a life or death emergency, take it in on Wednesday and take the second one of the pair for a look too. Hopefully it is the only one that has the problem. May well have been made on a Friday afternoon after siesta time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 Beware of “gunsmiths” Henry. Some are very good but many are not up to this sort of work. You need a gunMAKER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 Send them to Bromley & Son.barrel blacking in Ashford Kent, they will sort them for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted August 19 Author Report Share Posted August 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dave at kelton said: I don’t have enough experience of practical gunmaking. I always used the trade in Birmingham to do my work. Now in Scotland I use Graham Mackinley. Thanks - I work in Birmingham, so thats a possibility 2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: It's not a life or death emergency, take it in on Wednesday and take the second one of the pair for a look too. Hopefully it is the only one that has the problem. May well have been made on a Friday afternoon after siesta time. I think that's going to be my course of action. 2 hours ago, London Best said: Beware of “gunsmiths” Henry. Some are very good but many are not up to this sort of work. You need a gunMAKER. Sorry - meant to say gunmaker. I use Hopkins in Sandbach. Up until a few years ago they were still makeing guns under their own name. I considered having on made at one point. 1 hour ago, retromlc said: Send them to Bromley & Son.barrel blacking in Ashford Kent, they will sort them for you Thanks for the suggestion - maybe a little far. Edited August 19 by PeterHenry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted August 19 Author Report Share Posted August 19 12 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Ok, on my side by side it was ok and just big enough to squirt some gun oil in as i mention, seeing as you near a smithy it would be easy to let them check out Cheers - will do, that's the plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted August 19 Report Share Posted August 19 5 minutes ago, PeterHenry said: Cheers - will do, that's the plan. Keep us posted Peter how you get on👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted August 19 Author Report Share Posted August 19 6 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Keep us posted Peter how you get on👍 Will do 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted August 21 Author Report Share Posted August 21 Update - I took the gun in today, and was told that yes, it looks like water has got under the rib. Apparently this can be a problem with some brazed ribs? But i've had the gun for a few years and it's seen reasonable use in all weathers and not done this before. Anyway, casting my mind back to last season - on one of my last days shooting, I took it out in some genuinely foul weather and noticed afterwards that the bead was loose. So I reckon the waters probably go in then, as when I took the bead off, the hole was drilled right through. The plan is to drill out some metal from the front of the muzzles (the bits in the photos that look like they are leaking) and clean and dry out under the ribs, then fix it back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 A friend of mine had similar problems with a pair of Beesley boxlocks and as his guns were specifically itemised on his house insurance, he was able to claim for the work of removing and relaying the top ribs. He claimed it on the basis of water damage and was successful and got paid in full. I would never have thought of that one !! OB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted August 22 Author Report Share Posted August 22 (edited) Further update - I rang up today and was told the work had been done. One very small gap was found in the brazing, but it was under the forend, roughly where the '3' is on Westleys photo - so nothing much to worry about in real terms. No rust or water was found under the rib, so the muzzle was soldered back up (and is far more tidy for it as well). So it's all a bit of a mystery really - but everything has checked out fine and my wallet isn't much lighter for the trouble either. Edited August 22 by PeterHenry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 Jolly good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted August 22 Author Report Share Posted August 22 (edited) 3 hours ago, Old Boggy said: A friend of mine had similar problems with a pair of Beesley boxlocks and as his guns were specifically itemised on his house insurance, he was able to claim for the work of removing and relaying the top ribs. He claimed it on the basis of water damage and was successful and got paid in full. I would never have thought of that one !! OB Neither would I!!! 2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Jolly good. 👍 Edited August 22 by PeterHenry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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