vw job losses

[Mungler]

Well, the European tip has started.

Looks like it’s curtains for VW

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[Cosmicblue]

The automotive industry is in deep trouble, just take a look at Autotrader and cars for sale with less than 500 miles on the clock...there are loads there for a fraction of the usually ridiculous list price.

For the Volkswagen Audi Group (VAG) - which is VW, Audi, Seat, Cupra, Skoda, Bentley, Bugatti, Porsche, Lamborghini and Ducati they have some huge challenges, many of the models of the ranges are old and long overdue for replacement.  The VAG group are facing the perfect storm, massively in debt, an aging, undesirable product that's too expensive in markets that are in an economic downturn and a bunch of competitors who have good products at the right price.

 

[Mungler]

4 hours ago, Cosmicblue said:

The automotive industry is in deep trouble, just take a look at Autotrader and cars for sale with less than 500 miles on the clock...there are loads there for a fraction of the usually ridiculous list price.

For the Volkswagen Audi Group (VAG) - which is VW, Audi, Seat, Cupra, Skoda, Bentley, Bugatti, Porsche, Lamborghini and Ducati they have some huge challenges, many of the models of the ranges are old and long overdue for replacement.  The VAG group are facing the perfect storm, massively in debt, an aging, undesirable product that's too expensive in markets that are in an economic downturn and a bunch of competitors who have good products at the right price.

 

It’s the forerunner to what is happening with German manufacturing. More will follow.

German economic decline will signal the end of the EU.

It feels like we’re in a bubble just waiting for it to pop.

[armsid]

The way to go green is to convert current vehicles to electric will save increase jobs save companies and keep the work in this country. As i said in a previous post we had electric cars on the road using the induction from a cable sunk under the M4 between Newbury and Reading a nine mike strip used by the Road Research Laboratory The 3 cars used were a Mini Citroen DS and Vanguard Estate  these three cars are in the Transport Museum in London They were almost driverless could well exceed current speed limits and did not need batteries while on the motorway and the idea was scrapped but my point is we can build electric cars and petrol cars in the same factories and give the consumer the choice

[Vince Green]

On 27/01/2025 at 18:02, Cosmicblue said:

The automotive industry is in deep trouble, just take a look at Autotrader and cars for sale with less than 500 miles on the clock...there are loads there for a fraction of the usually ridiculous list price.

For the Volkswagen Audi Group (VAG) - which is VW, Audi, Seat, Cupra, Skoda, Bentley, Bugatti, Porsche, Lamborghini and Ducati they have some huge challenges, many of the models of the ranges are old and long overdue for replacement.  The VAG group are facing the perfect storm, massively in debt, an aging, undesirable product that's too expensive in markets that are in an economic downturn and a bunch of competitors who have good products at the right price.

 

The number of cars on the road is dropping steadily because of increasing costs. The family second car is often the one that has to go.

But electric vehicles are no substitute, massive depreciation, high insurance, etc make them unsuitable for a lot of families. How do you charge them if you live in a house with no drive?  

[London Best]

27 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

How do you charge them if you live in a house with no drive?  

I believe that in Tokyo if you have no off street parking you are not allowed a vehicle. 
With the number of cars parked on the roads now I am beginning to wish that rule applied in U.K.

[oldypigeonpopper]

On 27/01/2025 at 21:40, armsid said:

The way to go green is to convert current vehicles to electric will save increase jobs save companies and keep the work in this country. As i said in a previous post we had electric cars on the road using the induction from a cable sunk under the M4 between Newbury and Reading a nine mike strip used by the Road Research Laboratory The 3 cars used were a Mini Citroen DS and Vanguard Estate  these three cars are in the Transport Museum in London They were almost driverless could well exceed current speed limits and did not need batteries while on the motorway and the idea was scrapped but my point is we can build electric cars and petrol cars in the same factories and give the consumer the choice

Hello, There was a piece on the Oxford news of a Company called Electrogenic Ltd who are converting old Mazda Sports car for the USA to EV , but can do most Vehicles , 

[ditchman]

14 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, There was a piece on the Oxford news of a Company called Electrogenic Ltd who are converting old Mazda Sports car for the USA to EV , but can do most Vehicles , 

my invention would to put/mount wind turbine ontop of the car...so as you drive along the turbine would turn thus producing electricity to propel the vehicle forward...

The govt have agreed to fund me £30 billion over the next couple of years....so last i will be able to afford fish&chips once a week and a packet of fags and a pint....and a few pickled eggs.....

im working on a premium bottom gas filter which will capture the methane and pipe it thro to a wearable micro gas turbine which will generate electricity from the pickled eggs.......Ed Milliband has secured a £10billion start up loan for me .....

[Penelope]

17 minutes ago, ditchman said:

my invention would to put/mount wind turbine ontop of the car...so as you drive along the turbine would turn thus producing electricity to propel the vehicle forward...

The govt have agreed to fund me £30 billion over the next couple of years....so last i will be able to afford fish&chips once a week and a packet of fags and a pint....and a few pickled eggs.....

im working on a premium bottom gas filter which will capture the methane and pipe it thro to a wearable micro gas turbine which will generate electricity from the pickled eggs.......Ed Milliband has secured a £10billion start up loan for me .....

 

Edited yesterday at 11:34 by Penelope

[amateur]

31 minutes ago, ditchman said:

my invention would to put/mount wind turbine ontop of the car...so as you drive along the turbine would turn thus producing electricity to propel the vehicle forward...

The govt have agreed to fund me £30 billion over the next couple of years....so last i will be able to afford fish&chips once a week and a packet of fags and a pint....and a few pickled eggs.....

im working on a premium bottom gas filter which will capture the methane and pipe it thro to a wearable micro gas turbine which will generate electricity from the pickled eggs.......Ed Milliband has secured a £10billion start up loan for me .....

Next year, you will be a millionaire, ditchie.

[armsid]

German industrial labour laws could scupper the deal but if it goes through the cars will be expensive due to labour costs in Germany to those in China and i cannot see Chinese wage levels being paid in Germany or else where to keep the cars cheap for all to buy

[Raja Clavata]

On 27/01/2025 at 21:40, armsid said:

The way to go green is to convert current vehicles to electric will save increase jobs save companies and keep the work in this country. As i said in a previous post we had electric cars on the road using the induction from a cable sunk under the M4 between Newbury and Reading a nine mike strip used by the Road Research Laboratory The 3 cars used were a Mini Citroen DS and Vanguard Estate  these three cars are in the Transport Museum in London They were almost driverless could well exceed current speed limits and did not need batteries while on the motorway and the idea was scrapped but my point is we can build electric cars and petrol cars in the same factories and give the consumer the choice

ICE to EV conversion can work for niche vehicles at low volumes but there’s a number of reasons why mass produced ICE and BEV vehicles are based on very different platforms. Not to mention the fact you can’t run a BEV and an ICE down the same production line.

Edited yesterday at 23:21 by Raja Clavata

[Raja Clavata]

12 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, There was a piece on the Oxford news of a Company called Electrogenic Ltd who are converting old Mazda Sports car for the USA to EV , but can do most Vehicles , 

There’s quite a few companies doing that kind of thing on old classics. I’m “working” with SODA.auto who got this Charge EV up and running. The video shows the Charge and SODA CEOs demo’ing EV torque vectoring.