Police Officer cleared of murdering Chris Kaba:

[Mice!]

11 minutes ago, London Best said:

Not really, the man’s a lunatic.

Of course he is, but he's still a Labour MP isn't he?

That's the alarming thing, he'd probably say that he's backing his constituents? But with all that's coming out how can anyone say the shot man didn't get justice?

[JohnfromUK]

8 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Of course he is, but he's still a Labour MP isn't he?

Small point, but I think he's not Labour but an independent MP.

 

[Scully]

7 minutes ago, Mice! said:

But with all that's coming out how can anyone say the shot man didn't get justice?

The ‘tweet’ is over a year old. It wasn’t about justice, it was about jumping to conclusions. 

[scutt]

PC ANDREW HARPERS DEATH DRAGGED BY CAR DRIVER TRYING TO ESCAPE.

[Penelope]

1 hour ago, Mice! said:

Wow! That's mind boggling 😳

No, just far left virtue signalling.

[shaun4860]

3 hours ago, ordnance said:

OK all cases were people were found not guilty, and you thought that they should never have been charged 

Now you’re just being silly.

The CPS had all the evidence before they chose to charge but still chose to do so.

You also have to remember, the jury didn’t have Kaba’s previous history, they just had what was presented to them in the case.

The jury didn’t know about the nightclub shooting or his gang affiliation but still in 3 hours found the officer not guilty.

Did you think he was guilty?

If you worked for the CPS bearing in mind you had ALL the evidence, would you have prosecuted?

As stated above, now the officer has a bounty on his head, so 2 years of not knowing if he is going to be jailed or now killed, I stand by my statement of he should receive compensation.

The whole affair has been grossly mishandled.

[Penelope]

2 minutes ago, shaun4860 said:

Now you’re just being silly.

The CPS had all the evidence before they chose to charge but still chose to do so.

You also have to remember, the jury didn’t have Kaba’s previous history, they just had what was presented to them in the case.

The jury didn’t know about the nightclub shooting or his gang affiliation but still in 3 hours found the officer not guilty.

Did you think he was guilty?

If you worked for the CPS bearing in mind you had ALL the evidence, would you have prosecuted?

As stated above, now the officer has a bounty on his head, so 2 years of not knowing if he is going to be jailed or now killed, I stand by my statement of he should receive compensation.

The whole affair has been grossly mishandled.

Agreed, CPS should have just laughed at it, but he went to court for political reasons; a disgrace!!

[Scully]

I’m not really sure what the alternative to a court case could have been. Any decision based on an internal inquiry would simply be prone to accusations of a ‘cover up’ by the state. Those accusations may well still prosper. 
However, what other method of establishing and verifying either guilt or innocence do we have other than trial by jury? Twelve members of the public with no bias or axe to grind. 🤷‍♂️ 
What else could be done? 
What precedent would be set by compensating all those wrongly accused, charged and subject to trial by the state? But saying that, that is exactly what is happening regarding the PO scandal, and in that instance rightly so in my opinion. 
It’s a minefield. Where do you start……..and stop? 
The victim was known to the police as a dangerous criminal with a history of such, who was acting outside the law, who repeatedly ignored shouted commands by armed police, and as a result was eventually shot. 
Not sure what else there is to say really, but there HAD to be a court case for the reasons outlined above. 
The only thing I don’t agree with is any officer being named unless guilty. 

Edited October 23 by Scully

[JohnfromUK]

2 minutes ago, Scully said:

The only thing I don’t agree with is the identification of the officer involved unless found guilty. 

Whilst I entirely agree with you, I'd be surprised if the 'baddies' didn't already know who and where he lived, and could find out pretty easily.  

 

[Penelope]

10 minutes ago, Scully said:

I’m not really sure what the alternative to a court case could have been. Any decision based on an internal inquiry would simply be prone to accusations of a ‘cover up’ by the state. Those accusations may well still prosper. 
However, what other method of establishing and verifying either guilt or innocence do we have other than trial by jury? Twelve members of the public with no bias or axe to grind. 🤷‍♂️ 
What else could be done? 
What precedent would be set by compensating all those wrongly accused, charged and subject to trial by the state? But saying that, that is exactly what is happening regarding the PO scandal, and in that instance rightly so in my opinion. 
It’s a minefield. Where do you start……..and stop? 
The victim was known to the police as a dangerous criminal with a history of such, who was acting outside the law, who repeatedly ignored shouted commands by armed police, and as a result was eventually shot. 
Not sure what else there is to say really, but there HAD to be a court case for the reasons outlined above. 
The only thing I don’t agree with is any officer being named unless guilty. 

So, as I mentioned above, he went to court for political reasons.

Edited October 23 by Penelope

[Scully]

9 minutes ago, Penelope said:

So, as I mentioned above, he went to court for political reasons.

So what alternatives would you suggest, other than trial by jury for the sake of clarity and openness? 

[Rewulf]

2 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Whilst I entirely agree with you, I'd be surprised if the 'baddies' didn't already know who and where he lived, and could find out pretty easily.  

 

Kabas family insisted on the officers name being released, and managed to legally obtain it.
They also insisted kabas previous record be kept secret, citing legal reasons.
The latter is reasonable, the former is not.

At the end of the day kaba got his wish for notoriety/fame, somewhat posthumously, but Im sure there will be many a rap or drill ditty to celebrate how great he was.
On the plus side, we dont have to take him through an expensive trial and £50k a year keeping him in prison.

The officer on the other hand, gets a life sentence of looking over his shoulder, wondering if he and his family will ever be safe.
Personally, I cant see how he can remain serving as a police officer, or indeed remain living in the area he does, Im sure he has considered moving a long way away, possibly abroad ? I would.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJEEGDtdTiE

22 minutes ago, Penelope said:

So, as I mentioned above, he went to court for political reasons.

 

12 minutes ago, Scully said:

So what alternatives would you suggest, other than trial by jury for the sake of clarity and openness? 

Actually, you are both correct.

[Scully]

29 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Whilst I entirely agree with you, I'd be surprised if the 'baddies' didn't already know who and where he lived, and could find out pretty easily.  

 

Agreed. Wouldn’t surprise me either. 

[Scully]

9 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

 

 

Actually, you are both correct.

Quite. Im not disputing it’s a political thing, just wondering what would be acceptable to all parties concerned other than alternative to trial by jury? 

[Mungler]

1 hour ago, shaun4860 said:

Now you’re just being silly.

The CPS had all the evidence before they chose to charge but still chose to do so.

You also have to remember, the jury didn’t have Kaba’s previous history, they just had what was presented to them in the case.

The jury didn’t know about the nightclub shooting or his gang affiliation but still in 3 hours found the officer not guilty.

Did you think he was guilty?

If you worked for the CPS bearing in mind you had ALL the evidence, would you have prosecuted?

As stated above, now the officer has a bounty on his head, so 2 years of not knowing if he is going to be jailed or now killed, I stand by my statement of he should receive compensation.

The whole affair has been grossly mishandled.

 

Good post.

 

[Rewulf]

20 minutes ago, Scully said:

Quite. Im not disputing it’s a political thing, just wondering what would be acceptable to all parties concerned other than alternative to trial by jury? 

Unfortunately it mostly doesnt work like that, the dead thugs family and friends would likely want 'street justice' carried out, probably involving machetes, followed by a large compensation claim for 'taking away' this pillar of the rap scene community.
At the very least they would like to see the cop jailed, where he would most likely be maimed and/or killed by Mr kabas associates.

There are no winners sometimes.

[Penelope]

1 hour ago, Scully said:

So what alternatives would you suggest, other than trial by jury for the sake of clarity and openness? 

The CPS saying that there was no evidence to support a prosecution, which clearly there wasn't.

[Scully]

9 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Unfortunately it mostly doesnt work like that, the dead thugs family and friends would likely want 'street justice' carried out, probably involving machetes, followed by a large compensation claim for 'taking away' this pillar of the rap scene community.
At the very least they would like to see the cop jailed, where he would most likely be maimed and/or killed by Mr kabas associates.

There are no winners sometimes.

Quite. But It has to be acceptable to all via a lawful process, what you’re describing is vengeance akin to mob rule. Not an ‘acceptable’ alternative to anyone with half a brain. 

2 minutes ago, Penelope said:

The CPS saying that there was no evidence to support a prosecution, which clearly there wasn't.

Really? Where would that leave us in this particular instance? 

[Penelope]

5 minutes ago, Scully said:

Really? Where would that leave us in this particular instance? 

Probably another round of rioting and looting, just like when Duggan was shot. It appears that is only way the particular community he was from, acts, when things don't go their way.

But then, surely 2TK could have shown the country he's not and locked them all up.

[Rewulf]

6 minutes ago, Scully said:

But It has to be acceptable to all via a lawful process

There was a lawful process... But it would seem to the 'victims' party, its not acceptable ?

6 minutes ago, Scully said:

Really? Where would that leave us in this particular instance?

Riots... because their idea of justice wasnt served, and despite the lawful process concluding, still isnt.

Like I said, no winners here.

[Scully]

14 minutes ago, Penelope said:

Probably another round of rioting and looting, just like when Duggan was shot. It appears that is only way the particular community he was from, acts, when things don't go their way.

 

Indeed. But that isn’t a solution in a civilised society. 

 

[old man]

5 hours ago, Westley said:

It is now rumoured that the Officer has a gangland bounty of £10,000 on his head. I hope the idiot that decided the Officers name and address should be broadcast to the world is proud of his actions. 

The Herefords and mates need to visit at 02.00 hrs?

[Yellow Bear]

23 minutes ago, Penelope said:

But then, surely 2TK could have shown the country he's not and locked them all up.

In your dreams.

[Penelope]

8 minutes ago, Scully said:

Indeed. But that isn’t a solution in a civilised society. 

 

Ah, but there are significant elements of Kaba's community that are uncivilised.

2 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

In your dreams.

In anyone's, hence my sarcasm.

[Scully]

15 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

There was a lawful process... But it would seem to the 'victims' party, its not acceptable ?

Riots... because their idea of justice wasnt served, and despite the lawful process concluding, still isnt.

Like I said, no winners here.

Yes, there was a lawful process, but the ‘victims party’ would still cry foul if Kaba had been arrested rather than killed, and sent to prison after a trial.
You can’t console those who live outside the law when things go wrong for them, and you certainly cant tolerate their idea of justice in a civilised society. 
Like I said, there was no alternative other than a trial, if for no other reason than to show fairness to all. A verdict was reached by 12 members of the unbiased general public, who could quite easily have returned a guilty verdict. 🤷‍♂️

We can go round in circles all day, but there was no alternative than a trial. 

 

1 minute ago, Penelope said:

Ah, but there are significant elements of Kaba's community that are uncivilised.

 

Indeed there are, and as true and irrelevant as that may be, still doesnt  provide an alternative.