The Budget

[JohnfromUK]

The old Soviet USSR and most eastern bloc countries had both state and co-operative collective farms.  I believe many places (China, North Korea, etc) had them and Israel had (and I think still has the kibbutz, but not sure they are state owned?

[old man]

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

With the majority they have it will be hard to get them out.  If a vote of confidence was called, not many Labour MPs would vote against the Gov't because they would be very likely to loose their seats in the resulting general election, and that would mean losing their salary, all expenses paid living, subsidised dining and drinking, free central London parking, about 20 weeks paid leave, and all the other perks they get.  The salary itself may be unremarkable, but the overall package is gold plated.

Absolutely correct, not one of them will vote to leave.

36 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

On a good socialist planet - no private farms, but state collective farms. 

It is utter lunacy, but so was most of the budget.  On being self sufficient, that 'bird has flown' long ago.  There are (far) too many people to grow enough food to feed everyone.  We are loosely double the population we were in 1940, but with less farmland, and people have MUCH higher expectations.  If you put the whole UK on a 1940 ration book style diet there would be BIG trouble now.  How would the young survive without MacDonalds?

Any land left after the state farms could be built on to house future voters?

[old man]

17 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I can just imagine a state collective farm, it'd probably struggle to maintain a tomato plant and would need 15 forms and an army of people just to water it 😂. 

What a mess we're in. 

You only need one with knowledge of how to grow then lots of donkeys to haul the equipment?

[TOPGUN749]

3 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

With the majority they have it will be hard to get them out.  If a vote of confidence was called, not many Labour MPs would vote against the Gov't because they would be very likely to loose their seats in the resulting general election, and that would mean losing their salary, all expenses paid living, subsidised dining and drinking, free central London parking, about 20 weeks paid leave, and all the other perks they get.  The salary itself may be unremarkable, but the overall package is gold plated.

The salary alone is remarkable as I see it £90,000, with all the long breaks it must work out at £100 an hour! Plus expenses and thousands for heating allowance that the pensioners are means tested for!

[Penelope]

16 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Absolutely.
As it stands right now, its an unlikely scenario, but the way things are going, public opinion against labour is going down fast.
If dissatisfaction within the work force and general population gets too bad, or maybe a sliver of integrity still exists in labour MPs, then an early general election could be called.

I think that you are being overly optimistic, sadly.

14 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

I can just imagine a state collective farm, it'd probably struggle to maintain a tomato plant and would need 15 forms and an army of people just to water it 😂. 

What a mess we're in. 

You don't have to imagine, just look back in time to Uncle Joe's great plan.