Mice! Posted yesterday at 18:22 Report Share Posted yesterday at 18:22 To start off I put a mag of Polymag shorts through the Rapid at about 20mtrs, wobbling around but I wanted to see how they shot, they only just go in the mag, despite being designed for rotary mags they say, tin says 8.7mm length, the tin lid also says ' incomparable penetration and EXPANSION 'Well they loaded fine and shot OK, sure they'd do better rested and a few mags through but did they expand..............Not really, I used the method of shooting a 2ltr milk carton, I shot two at 10mtrs ish and one at the 20mtrs ish Today I shot Barracuda Extreme which don't load well in my rifle, no real expansion but one went through the plastic, extra weight?Bisley Pest control, some definite expansion but not a lot, again they ripped the carton, heavy.Hades, loaded and shot nice, nothing reallySuper Hollow Point, same results as Steve, the hollow flattened out.Crossman Hollow point, nothing reallyAnd because they are lighter some RS, which again did very littleAnd because I can, a picture of the rifle I tested with.... Certainly not a definite test, not hitting bone, but it was possible to retrieve the pellets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spr1985 Posted yesterday at 18:42 Report Share Posted yesterday at 18:42 Hi @Mice! I’ve not heard of the milk carton method and I’m by no means questioning your method or knowledge as mine is extremely limited. But, is it not hard surface’s/objects that cause the deformation to occur? I don't understand how a milk carton would give any valuable insight as to how a hollow point (or variants of) deforms on impact. I’ll look forward to learning something new 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted yesterday at 18:43 Report Share Posted yesterday at 18:43 To be honest I've never run definitive expansion tests but have never seen any make live up to the advertising blurb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted yesterday at 19:26 Report Share Posted yesterday at 19:26 40 minutes ago, old man said: To be honest I've never run definitive expansion tests but have never seen any make live up to the advertising blurb. your right there I’m yet to see any which expand as claimed think the real game changer will be slugs if anyone can bring one out that actually works well in sub12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted yesterday at 19:27 Author Report Share Posted yesterday at 19:27 41 minutes ago, Spr1985 said: Hi @Mice! I’ve not heard of the milk carton method and I’m by no means questioning your method or knowledge as mine is extremely limited. But, is it not hard surface’s/objects that cause the deformation to occur? I don't understand how a milk carton would give any valuable insight as to how a hollow point (or variants of) deforms on impact. I’ll look forward to learning something new 👍🏻 The water gives resistance without a hard surface and you can get the pellets out, using ballistic gel would be a lot better but it's not something I have. 43 minutes ago, old man said: To be honest I've never run definitive expansion tests but have never seen any make live up to the advertising blurb. That's the first time I'd done it, I know @Ultrastu did it with bacon or a ham joint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted yesterday at 19:29 Report Share Posted yesterday at 19:29 Just now, Mice! said: The water gives resistance without a hard surface and you can get the pellets out, using ballistic gel would be a lot better but it's not something I have. That's the first time I'd done it, I know @Ultrastu did it with bacon or a ham joint? Just so wrong bud, that stuff is for big sarnies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted yesterday at 19:30 Author Report Share Posted yesterday at 19:30 1 minute ago, clangerman said: your right there I’m yet to see any which expand as claimed think the real game changer will be slugs if anyone can bring one out that actually works well in sub12 I've got some Zans to try, 10g which people have been getting good results with but I've not tried them yet. I don't expect much expansion from any pellet in sub 12 really but folk definitely like Hades in .22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarecrow243 Posted yesterday at 19:44 Report Share Posted yesterday at 19:44 most need more than 12ft1lbs to expand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumfelter Posted yesterday at 19:45 Report Share Posted yesterday at 19:45 As above, I don't think sub 12 h/p's will expand much if any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam triple Posted yesterday at 19:49 Report Share Posted yesterday at 19:49 Lancs vermin control on you tube did a recent test on pellets thru a fac air rifle may be worth a look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted yesterday at 19:53 Author Report Share Posted yesterday at 19:53 8 minutes ago, scarecrow243 said: most need more than 12ft1lbs to expand Definitely 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted yesterday at 20:15 Report Share Posted yesterday at 20:15 Stop messing around with Air Rifles and get that trellis put back up - Merry Christmas Mice 😁. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted yesterday at 20:31 Author Report Share Posted yesterday at 20:31 14 minutes ago, bruno22rf said: Stop messing around with Air Rifles and get that trellis put back up - Merry Christmas Mice 😁. 🤣🤣🤣 that's been there for two years mate, got the roof redone in summer and finally got the electric put in last week. Have a good Xmas mate. But what pellet are you using in the FAC air rifle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted 21 hours ago Report Share Posted 21 hours ago 2 hours ago, Mice! said: 🤣🤣🤣 that's been there for two years mate, got the roof redone in summer and finally got the electric put in last week. Have a good Xmas mate. But what pellet are you using in the FAC air rifle? I use Jumbo Exact heavies but Dead Centre heavy I've recently tried are also spot on in the S510. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted 7 hours ago Report Share Posted 7 hours ago Hi mice .yes I like to use a pack of bacon as it is cheap and in layers so you can count the depth easily and retrieve the pellet and reuse the bacon .it's going to be as close to real quarry as I can imagine . I have shot it with all sorts of pellets 12 fpe .22 and .177 fac And I've found no decent expansion from any at any speed . I even tried 177 slugs . At around 900 fps and they still don't expand much even close in . I shot a pigeon and then proceeded to hit it with fac .177 slugs hitting different parts of the body all passed through non expanded . That was the end of me playing with slugs . I've found the best smak you can put on quarry comes from a flat head either .177 or .22 your hitting it with the full width of the pellet and not asking for any expansion you already have 4.5 /5.5 mm flying fast and accurate . I dropped 4 rats the other week with a .177 doing 9 fpe from my springer at 15 yds perfect head shots .these rats didn't flip or jump or even wiggle a tail they dropped where they stood stone dead . I recommend the best results you can get will come from a fast .177 flat head every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago What sort of bacon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted 3 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 3 hours ago 3 hours ago, Ultrastu said: That was the end of me playing with slugs . I've seen some big claims with slugs, saying they won't go through being the biggest one, these pictures aren't mine, just off the thread I replied to. Same method shooting 2 litre milk bottles at 10mtrs A lot of change to the .22 slugs, shot at sub 12. I was initially just testing the Polymags as someone had asked about them, I've seen people say they're brilliant, personally I'll stick with a normal pellet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted 33 minutes ago Report Share Posted 33 minutes ago 3 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: What sort of bacon? Streaky - the cheapest . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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