The Game Shooter Certificate

[Konor]

6 minutes ago, London Best said:

I’m sorry, but I don’t agree. 
The antis do not think we should be shooting anything at all. Even one bird is too much in their minds.

The specific people I am talking about are not anti despite their vegetarian lifestyle.

[London Best]

1 minute ago, Konor said:

The specific people I am talking about are not anti despite their vegetarian lifestyle.

I got that bit, but I disagree that shooting smaller bags would result in less antis.

[Konor]

5 minutes ago, London Best said:

I got that bit, but I disagree that shooting smaller bags would result in less antis.

I’m sure it would ,I’m not talking about committed anti fieldsports activists I’m talking about individuals that see us in the context we create. Entitled followers of the excessive bag mentality on shoots where some drives can see shots per bird as high as 10 to 1 can influence the non committed to see our sport as distasteful. In rural areas many people brought up with small scale shooting see it as part of their culture, large commercial shoots are liable not to be seen in the same way by some of those same people. 

[Weihrauch17]

2 hours ago, Konor said:

I’m sure it would ,I’m not talking about committed anti fieldsports activists I’m talking about individuals that see us in the context we create. Entitled followers of the excessive bag mentality on shoots where some drives can see shots per bird as high as 10 to 1 can influence the non committed to see our sport as distasteful. In rural areas many people brought up with small scale shooting see it as part of their culture, large commercial shoots are liable not to be seen in the same way by some of those same people. 

This absolutely. I listened to a drive on a Commercial shoot last season and was sickened by the number of shots, it was a slaughter on a grand scale.  I have been a member of 3 small shoots for 30 years but recently gave up my SGC / FAC.  The farm I Pigeon shot on for years had a Commercial shoot on it and hated it.

Edited yesterday at 00:49 by Weihrauch17

[HantsRob]

22 hours ago, enfieldspares said:

I used to be in a (with a very formal dress code all bespoke tweed non of your off the peg John Norris catalogue gear) syndicate

I wonder how much of your own charm, style, and personality was muted due to having to fit into that group? 

That is not a slur on you, but I mean that formal environments often stifle people's own self. Fair play on the farmers for exactly what they did!

[enfieldspares]

1 hour ago, HantsRob said:

I wonder how much of your own charm, style, and personality was muted due to having to fit into that group? 

That is not a slur on you, but I mean that formal environments often stifle people's own self. Fair play on the farmers for exactly what they did!

Oh no we gave as good as we got. We were all Leicestershire men. It was just that we all had this "thing" about not wanting to look like male models from the John Norris catalogue on a photoshoot. We shot with all side by side guns but that ranged from Purdey through to one with a cheap old Birmingham hammer gun. 

[jall25]

Interesting that the new Scottish Natural Environment Bill is proposing mandatory training for deer culling and BASC are opposing it 

[redial]

The Game Shooter Certificate.

Sounds like another BASC Trojan Horse.

[Konor]

2 hours ago, jall25 said:

Interesting that the new Scottish Natural Environment Bill is proposing mandatory training for deer culling and BASC are opposing it 

They are also opposing further restrictions on lead shot use but that is not always reflected in practice apparently.
Nevertheless if they do in fact oppose mandatory training and continue to offer affordable accessible training to supply a need then that’s of benefit to the shooting community and should be applauded. Ideally the cost of any such training should be minimised and ideally covered in one day to avoid the expense of overnight stays which may make those opportunities not viable for those living further afield.

[Conor O'Gorman]

3 hours ago, redial said:

The Game Shooter Certificate.

Sounds like another BASC Trojan Horse.

BASC aims to promote and protect shooting activities by establishing and maintaining high standards through education, training and best practice. 

BASC supports industry-led voluntary training and is opposed to the introduction of mandatory competence testing for any form of shooting. 

However, people who are new to the sport must accept that the onus is on them to develop the knowledge and skill to use a shotgun or firearm safely.  

We offer a range of courses to help you demonstrate you have the knowledge and know-how to use firearms or shotguns confidently and safely, in a field-based situation. 

https://basc.org.uk/training/ 

As regards the proposals to introduce mandatory training for all deer stalkers in Scotland, BASC is the only organisation actively opposing this requirement, as there is no evidence to justify it.

https://basc.org.uk/why-the-scottish-natural-environment-bill-must-be-fixed/ 

As such, rather than comments about 'Trojan Horses' perhaps get behind BASC, if you are not already a member.

https://basc.org.uk/join/ 

 

 

[Gordon R]

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[redial]

11 hours ago, Conor O'Gorman said:

 

 

 

Edited 11 hours ago by redial
Double post

[redial]

11 hours ago, Conor O'Gorman said:

 

As such, rather than comments about 'Trojan Horses' perhaps get behind BASC, if you are not already a member.

https://basc.org.uk/join/ 

 Once a proud member but wouldn’t join if it were free.

 

 

[Konor]

I’m heading that way myself. I’m annoyed that I’m having to make the break after so long but my head is taking precedence over my heart and I’ll be off at the next renewal.

[Bobba]

5 hours ago, Konor said:

 I’ll be off at the next renewal.

Lucky you. It’s a requirement of my permission otherwise, based on the opinions, content, and output of their representative on here I would have left BASC at my last renewal.