pigeonshooter76 Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 boys are accused of randomly targeting the victims, aged 11 and 9, who were allegedly tortured and burnt with cigarettes. The two fresh-faced brothers, both under five-feet tall, made their first court appearance yesterday at Doncaster magistrates, sitting as a youth court, and were handcuffed as they were led to and from the dock. Related Articles Mother: "It's got nothing to do with me" Brothers aged 10 and 11 charged with attempted murder Man acquitted in Damilola murder trial Man charged with Beshenivsky murder Smiling on a happy family occasion... but hours later the same woman was gunned down Girl aged 12 is charged over boy's neck injuryThe older boy wore a red England football shirt and his younger brother was dressed in a grey Umbro T-shirt. Both put their hands up in turn and answered "Yes, sir" when District Judge Jonathan Bennett asked them to respond to their names. They showed little emotion as they appeared in the glass-fronted dock flanked by two male and one female security officers. Their foster parents sat in front of the dock during the hour-long hearing. The Crown Prosecution Service had earlier announced that both suspects, who cannot be named for legal reasons, would face charges of attempted murder and robbery of each victim. The nine-year-old boy was found, barefoot and soaked in blood, walking along a street in the town on Saturday afternoon. He has required three operations at hospital on his arm, which was badly injured. His 11-year-old uncle was discovered later, unconscious and with his head slashed, at the edge of a pond a mile away. The man who found him thought that he was dead. He had suffered what were described as life-threatening head injuries when he was admitted to Sheffield Children's Hospital. He is said to be "stable" and improving. His parents said yesterday: "We would like to thank all the community for their help in finding our son and for all their continued support through what is a very traumatic time. We are hoping that our son will continue to recover from his ordeal and ask that the media would please respect our privacy and not approach our family or friends." The nine-year-old, who was taken to the Doncaster Royal Infirmary, has had a third operation on his arm, which was seriously injured in the attack. Both brothers were remanded them into secure local authority to appear before the same court on April 14. __________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 (edited) I`m sorry but i don`t give a rats butt if i get flamed but these two creatures need dragging into a field and given a lethal injection. There is no helping 2 sick individuals that would do this type of thing, they knew exactly what they were doing. Go on flame away. Edited April 7, 2009 by CZ550Kevlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark_mjs93 Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 I`m sorry but i don`t give a rats butt if i get flamed but these two creatures need dragging into a field and given a lethal injection. There is no helping 2 sick individuals that would do this type of thing, they knew exactly what they were doing. Go on flame away. fair play mate, no flaming here, i think we all agree, that they are evil little *******, but this country has gone to the bloody dogs, they should lock em up and throw away the key... my opinion and im 15 so thats saying something right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted April 7, 2009 Report Share Posted April 7, 2009 It's a sad world that we live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) to me once they acted like animals then from that moment they lost all rights , they should have there twisted lives ended ... But no this soft stupid country will send them to a nice secure place with dvd's play stations anything they want and when there old enough and have said sorrry they will be rehoused have new ids and even have a job and a house to walk into what a joke they are oxygen thieves Edited April 8, 2009 by roadkill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 poor lads-probably came from a broken household and been dissadvantaged all their lives.Lets all put as much money as we can into helping them as they grow in a comfortable stress free social worker dominated enviroment.Perhaps they could meet and become buddies with jamie bulgers killers (details of which are still not fully published-but involved tying his hands together whilst hurling bricks at his genitals).Who knows-they could form a little club.Alternativley we could show them all the rope-I would b more than happy to do it if no-one else wants to-my pleasure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 They will be out of jail by the time they're 25, that is if they ever get sentenced to anything more punitive than dossing in a Young Offenders' Institute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhiannonBW Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 My ex-husband had some training in some sort of care work before I met him, and part of the training was visiting a secure institution where young children who had committed murder were kept. He was suprised at the lack of publicity surrounding many of the cases, some as young as 5, who had brutally murdered their families or friends, in other words true homicidal sociopaths/psychopaths. As it was a mental insititution there is no guarantee of release, and 'patients' can be kept indefinitely, regardless of original sentence. Hopefully these two children will end up there and won't be allowed out again, though I can't help wondering what kind of sick family life they have had up until now which has helped form the sick potential they were born with into the monsters they have become. Someone, somewhere, will have known exactly what these two children were capable of. Most murders/attempted murders don't make the national papers, and some don't even make the local news. I believe this kind of thing goes on much more than we are aware. There are 24 murders on average each week in the UK, the most at risk group being children under the age of one. Rhiannon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshirePurdey Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I work in a medium secure hospital for people sectioned under the mental health act and unfortunatly this sort of thing is a lot more common than most people realise!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Someone, somewhere, will have known exactly what these two children were capable of. Exactly. The press reports that almost the entire community was aware of these two children's violent activity. I find it hard to accept that the Police were not also aware. The biological and foster parents clearly knew how despicable the two boys are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlosdesilva Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 scary to think what the off spring of these 2 sickos could turn out like! lethal injection the only answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I work in a medium secure hospital for people sectioned under the mental health act and unfortunatly this sort of thing is a lot more common than most people realise!! Yes and it also happened in the "good old days" you know when you could let your kids out to play without fear, and leave your doors unlocked, its not new or a result of today's society, its simply of a demonstration that kids can be evil little ***** when they want to be. love the "educated" who say its video games that does it, I wonder what game Mary Bell and others watched before they murdered their playmates? KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markb Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Haven't Jamie Bulgers killers been given new id's and now living in sunny Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonboy1 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) apparantly the mother of these two little ******** even had a plaque on the front of the house saying 'beware of the kids' like it was amusing that she had spawned such evil, twisted little sickos! Well i hope her and the remaining scum in her family are subjected to the sort of abuse that they liked to dish out. This country is going to dogs, it makes me sick that kids need to fear other kids aswell as all the adult sickos out there. You're still bound to get some do gooder **** come along and defend them. As was mentioned in the first post they are old enough to know right from wrong , so treat them accordingly! Edited April 8, 2009 by jonboy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) Death sentence for people like this, no arguments, regardless of age. It's not likely that they will be reformed into useful members of society no matter how much attention and cash is spent on them. I don't get the arguments against the death sentence, sure in an age before DNA and sophisticated forensics there was an element of doubt, these days there's virtually a zero chance of error. Then there's the argument that says "the death sentence doesn't prevent people murdering"; that is true, people will always murder, but with the death sentence that particular individual is unlikely to ever re-offend I'd say. It's a perverse society that accepts sending fine, fit and honourable young men and women to a war zone, and when they die offer them little more than a column in a newspaper or a tv news sound bite statistic, yet makes such a fuss when someone suggests that a thoroughly rotten individual is sentenced to death? It's not like humanity is endangered is it? I say get rid of the wrong'uns and leave the rest of us to live sociable life. Period. Edited April 8, 2009 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Death sentence for people like this, no arguments, regardless of age. It's not likely that they will be reformed into useful members of society no matter how much attention and cash is spent on them. I don't get the arguments against the death sentence, sure in an age before DNA and sophisticated forensics there was an element of doubt, these days there's virtually a zero chance of error. Then there's the argument that says "the death sentence doesn't prevent people murdering"; that is true, people will always murder, but with the death sentence that particular individual is unlikely to ever re-offend I'd say. It's a perverse society that accepts sending fine, fit and honourable young men and women to a war zone, and when they die offer them little more than a column in a newspaper or a tv news sound bite statistic, yet makes such a fuss when someone suggests that a thoroughly rotten individual is sentenced to death? It's not like humanity is endangered is it? I say get rid of the wrong'uns and leave the rest of us to live sociable life. Period. A short drop with a quick stop should do the trick The ******'s don't deserve to be let out again. Along with all the bloody pedo's n murderer's!!! :o :o They reckon all the prison's are too full, well Im sure getting rid of those sicko's will open up a few spaces :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 A short drop with a quick stop should do the trick True, but then that might go against their 'human rights'. It's all so utterly ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 True, but then that might go against their 'human rights'. It's all so utterly ridiculous. ridiculous is saying you would drop a 10 year old and an 11 year old? like it or not they are kids , horrible little scrotes at that but none the less kids, but of course you would pull the lever eh ? nah think not, talk and type is cheap action is harder, I don't know the answer I don't even come close to pretending I do but having brought up 7 kids and having 11 grand kids 12Th on the way none (yet) got into bother, but god forbid one day they might,I would not like to think someone was eagerly waiting to "drop them" KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) Hmm, we're not talking about a bit of shop lifting here are we. These two beat one kid to death and virtually killed the other one, they're hardly going to turn out to be fine, well balanced members of society are they? If it makes you happier, keep them in jail till they're 18 and then hang them. It wasn't a game they were playing nor was it an accident, it was a systematic and calculated beating with the intention of taking another life. Age in this case is irrelevant. Edited April 8, 2009 by mick miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonboy1 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 According to reports, there was evidence of sexual abuse aswell. Unbelievable to think that at such a young age these kids could become so twisted and aggressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 ridiculous is saying you would drop a 10 year old and an 11 year old? like it or not they are kids , horrible little scrotes at that but none the less kids, but of course you would pull the lever eh ? nah think not, talk and type is cheap action is harder,I don't know the answer I don't even come close to pretending I do but having brought up 7 kids and having 11 grand kids 12Th on the way none (yet) got into bother, but god forbid one day they might,I would not like to think someone was eagerly waiting to "drop them" KW There will always be a que of people willing to pull the handle on things like this with no hesitation what so ever. Whether they dangle on a rope at 18 or at 10 to be honest little difference. the main difference is several hundreds of thousands of pounds in taxpayers money paying people to defend them in court, then paying to keep them in an institution playing on playstations & watching dvd`s then paying to protect them when they are released and given a new identity to protect them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord_seagrave Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 It is so difficult to generalise about these situations. Even in my relatively limited experience (I'm 28, and have no children of my own), identically-aged children can be so different in their character and behaviour – but this is almost entirely down to their upbringing. I recall fondly assisting a friend of mine at a private prep school in London. The pupils were charming and articulate to a man (er, boy), and with such delightful innocence – like a step back in time to a rather gentler age. Less fondly, I recall the kind of boys I dealt with from the rough ends of provincial towns as a Special Constable for many years. Not a hint of innocence about any of them, and certainly none could be described as either charming or articulate. The dog men on here have often said that there is no such thing as a bad dog, and I am mostly inclined to apply this to people as well. People (children included) are a product of their environment, and, when events conspire to bring out the worst in them; the result can be as tragic as this. However, whilst these boys should rightly be punished to the full extent of the law, recognition ought to be given to their age and that the chances of genuinely rehabilitating them are proportionately high. Sadly, I suspect that the prison system has insufficient resources to achieve such rehabilitation, and, equally sadly, our paid representatives appear far more interested in lining their pockets than addressing this (or any other) deficiency. LS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I'm just wondering which inanimate object is going to get blamed for this, Playstation? Tv? DVD's? Why is it so hard for people to accept that there are some people who are, to use the medical term, ******* nutcases, and theres virtually nothing that can be done to stop them until after the horrendous acts have been committed?? These two pieces of human waste need to be removed from society permenantly, and if that means the death sentence, personally i've not got a problem. From a cynics point of view, i wonder if the anti-brigade is going to add kitchen sinks to the list of things that want banned now(?) Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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