'Graphic' threads

[Evil Elvis]

how would you feel if YOUR picture was used in that way? Just wondering like?

 

You have a valid point its not a nice picture, but its our sport, it was a surprising amount of damage and i thought Id share it, Im not going to sit in my office and think..."oh i hope the anti's dont use my humanely shot bunny in a slur campaign" might as well give up right now if we are going to lay down and die like that!

[dave dog]

There are two ways of looking at this.

You could use graphic picture of lager dead animal and use them to teach people that if you get caugth up in gun crime this is now you could end up, some people here will that is silly point.

As for one member who's nures and said they see the effects that high veloctie round have on the human body. Why post dead ainamls in that ligth its disrespectful to your qurray.

Most people wouldn't post pictures of stalked deer in that form, and if they did they would qiuckly shunned i would think. A rabbit, pigeon desvers the same respect as deer.

Most people on this site will be envoled in shooting or feild sports know what this type of ammo dose we see it every time you go out with rifle/shotgun.

As some one once said to thrill of shooting is in the stalk, not the kill. It would be like sex with foreplay just straigth ejackualtion no fun at all.

A repectfull photo is far better than some that are posted, it is down to choice i under stand that. If people think that these graphic are nesscary than perhaps they need to ask them self's why they shoot animal just because we allowed to isn't an answer, they would be better shooting at paper.

That my veiw on this.

 

Dave

[Evil Elvis]

t would be like sex with foreplay just straigth ejackualtion no fun at all.

 

Not only are you doing it all wrong.....you cant spell it.

 

and I disagree, i did not post it in a disrespectful manner it was in an educational one.

 

I think it had a more respectful end than any pest controllers I know around here, most of them leave the rabbit for foxes or burn them.....the one in the picture was devoured by hungry ferrets

[njc110381]

I'm not at all bothered about seeing graphic pictures on the forums. The antis would hate us if bunnies were wrapped in a little box of cotton wool after dispatch, so what difference does it make? I feel a warning should be included in the topic title so people who don't wish to see it can skip over, then we can decide for ourselves.

 

When I first started reading on here I didn't have any shooting experience apart from air rifles and a couple of shots with someones 12g. I really did find it interesting to see what a real rifle could do to a Fox or Rabbit. Even to this day one of my favourite videos (if it's still there) on youtube was of a Magpie being hit with a .270. It makes me chuckle every time I see it - it looks like a pillow explosion!

 

When I take pictures now I tend to hide the damage a little. I tend to lie bunnies down so the blown out side is on the floor. That way more people can enjoy my posts.

[vole]

You only have to lift a fishing rod to be classed as an animal torturing nutter these days. There is no point in trying to woo public opinion by showing the dead quarry but there is nothing wrong with sharing hamburger photos with fellow shooters unless there is a really sicko aspect to it. I think the public are turned off by extreme views wherever they come from ,including the pro or anti hunting camps.

[Lloyd90]

I think we came across an important point last night that made me more open minded about this subject, the one with the deer headshot with V-Max bullet.

 

Now I don't mind someone posting a picture of there bag to show off there skill and there effort and just because a shot happened to expand or whatever and happened to end up in a gruesome way I don't think that should stop them from posting andf being proud of a good day out like many others do to show there own days out. No one makes the graphic pics on purpose to show off.

 

Yesterday we encountered a few pics that were posted simply because they were graphic, they showed nothing to do with shooting and being proud of your effort and bag.

The damage was done headshotting a deer, another contraversial issue

 

I think we can all agree that there are circumstances when it goes too far and sometimes its not just what happens, its was setup to be like that don'y agree with that sorry!

Edited May 11, 2009 by Bigthug87

[Lez325]

I agree- too graphic and a Head shot on a Deer is a no no in my book

 

Les

[Evil Elvis]

Why because they arent classed as vermin and are fluffy?

[markbivvy]

Why because they arent classed as vermin and are fluffy?

no mate, its so they can have the trophy heads mounted. :lol: .

[Lloyd90]

Because its a animal that has a MUCH higher chance of being injured by a headshot such as jawing it or horribly wounding it for it to go and die slowly and painfully.

 

Shooting a Hare or a rabbit with a 243 and blowing them in half isn't going to result in them crawling off and dying days/weeks later of starvation or infection

[Evil Elvis]

Ill have to bow to your obvious greater knowledge as Ive never shot a deer and dont intend to any time soon.

[Lloyd90]

Ill have to bow to your obvious greater knowledge as Ive never shot a deer and dont intend to any time soon.

 

Neither have I elvis not yet anyways, although like you have probally tried to learn alot of about shooting when you started off, I myself have tried to learn all I can and one thing I found was that headshots are a def no!

One guy I worked with before had tried a headshot and jawed the deer fortunately he managed to load another shot and dispatch it before it got away but he still said it was the most horrible thing he's done and won't be trying it again

[celtic invader]

An interesting thread and good points on all sides - but taking the stance that the "least said the soonest mended," I agree with the bias towards not showing too explicit a picture - just in case.

 

This is not a private forum that can only be viewed by dedicated followers of field sports, therefore we must all take responsibility for how we portray ourselves in public and be careful not to provide any opportunity to those wishing to outlaw shooting as a sport. We all suffer the unwanted attentions of various so called anti-blood sport campaigners - you know the type that let loose 1,000 cuddly little mink because its cruel to keep them locked up in cages - without realising that once these little killers are set free they will systematically destroy all the wildlife they can get their little teeth into. You can't blame the mink - its in their nature, but the ******** that commit this type of wildlife crime think that they are doing the right thing.

 

Education is the most important tool we can use against unwanted attention by 'antis' and helping them to gather gory pictures of dead wildlife by posting them on publically accessible forums like this one, will only serve to aid their campaign against us.

 

There are too many organisations out there waiting for the opportunity to stick another nail our coffin - so why help them do it?

[dogfox]

it says graphic for the people who may be a bit squeemish and perhaps to warn off anyone who doesnt want to see that, (eg: Anti's) thats my take on it anyway, but then again if your very squeemish then i dont think hunting is your sport

Edited May 13, 2009 by dogfox

[Blunderbuss]

it says graphic for the people who may be a bit squeemish and perhaps to warn off anyone who doesnt want to see that, (eg: Anti's) thats my take on it anyway,

Antis DO want to see it, some of them search the internet for exactly those kind of pictures, so they can use them to influence public opinion against us. Hypothetically, take one close up of a munty's exploded head, the like of which someone proudly posted on here the other day and I guarantee that 9 out of 10 'floating voters' shown it, will suddenly take a very anti shooting stance. Every one another nail in the coffin of the sport we love. We are engaged in a marginal activity which most people don't understand. It takes very little to turn people against us and ready to to support the next piece of draconian legislation in the pipeline.

but then again if your very squeemish then i dont think hunting is your sport

Who is that aimed at? It is possible to enjoy hunting, accept blood is going to be spilled and not be squeamish, but STILL think posting gory pictures is not a good idea. Honest.

Edited May 13, 2009 by Blunderbuss

[Chard]

It's got **** all to do with being squeamish

 

I find it scary that 34 people in the poll find those pictures "educational" or very interesting/exciting/horny or whatever.

 

I suppose teenage boys might think it makes them "men" if they do macho stuff like look at that stuff

 

Educational? What's that all about?

 

They'd be the same people who cause traffic jams on the motorway, hoping to see a severed head in a car smash

Edited May 13, 2009 by Chard

[Lloyd90]

Well chard it is kind of educational, If you shoot something with a bullet then pics like that are the result of that. Its a realistic look at shooting. Your not always going to shoot something and get a nice clean hole right the way through.

 

I find it educational as it shows what you can encounter in the field and therefore nothing unexpected happens.

I think saying "you find it educational/exciting/horny" is just a bit childish. If you don't learn ahything from it fair enough, maybe you have alot of experience with shooting but some of us don't and when I encountered my first headshot bunny from the 17 HMR first thing I noticed was "where's its head!!"

Although I had seen pics of other people's and knew that this could happen n not to worry lol!

 

It's like the first doctor's cutting up corpse's to see what the inside's are like. Hardly macho, just interesting to learn more about what its like.

[al4x]

I'm with you Chard, it doesn't make you a man. I'm into fieldsports and wouldn't post a picture or for that matter take a picture of quarry blown apart. Its not even that it gives anti's amunition its a matter of taste. I can enjoy blowing things apart but usually this is restricted to rats and crows and it is satisfying but not something i need posted on here.

When fox shooting you will get the odd one opened up when using centrefires but you get the proper pictures on here where respect to the quarry is shown and the better side is shown rather than the gory one. The people who take the gory side pictures need to have a look at themselves and ask why they are taking that picture and does it show anything people want to see.

[flytie]

Because its a animal that has a MUCH higher chance of being injured by a headshot such as jawing it or horribly wounding it for it to go and die slowly and painfully.

I am with Bigthug on this. I was asked to shoot two fallow deer this winter by a local landowner (she doesn't normally allow shooting in her woodland) because they had been jaw shot by some numptie who thought he could shoot and couldn't. I will agree that there are possibly circumstances where such a shot would be on (from a high seat when the deer is really close etc.), but in general it is not big or clever to attempt such a difficult shot on a moving target. It is certainly not "best practise".

 

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[MC]

Well chard it is kind of educational, If you shoot something with a bullet then pics like that are the result of that. Its a realistic look at shooting. Your not always going to shoot something and get a nice clean hole right the way through.

 

I find it educational as it shows what you can encounter in the field and therefore nothing unexpected happens.

I think saying "you find it educational/exciting/horny" is just a bit childish. If you don't learn ahything from it fair enough, maybe you have alot of experience with shooting but some of us don't and when I encountered my first headshot bunny from the 17 HMR first thing I noticed was "where's its head!!"

Although I had seen pics of other people's and knew that this could happen n not to worry lol!

 

It's like the first doctor's cutting up corpse's to see what the inside's are like. Hardly macho, just interesting to learn more about what its like.

 

 

Is it?

 

I couldn't think of anything further from the truth. Doctors "Cut up corpses" to either determine a cause of death or for another forensic reason or it is for training in a medical school.

 

I doubt that they hack a head of a body, smash it open with a hammer and then post the pictures on "Doctorwatch" with comments like "Cor have you seen what a 20oz ball pein hammer does when swung from behind the head"

 

It is not big, clever or educational to post pictures of your quarry blown apart, with their entrails hanging out or head missing.

 

If you find it in anyway exciting then you really are sick in the head.

[Lez325]

:blink: Why because they arent classed as vermin and are fluffy?

 

 

Fluffy Deer - can't say Ive ever come scross a fluffy Roe Deer- Have you?

 

Head shots can leave an animal injured and in pain and being a relitivley small target this could present a real problem of this happening time and time again

 

BASC advise body shots all the time- when stalking Roe Deer

 

Les

[CharlieT]

I'm with Chard, AL4x and MC on this. As a livestock farmer I see a lot of blood and gore from accidents and the odd PM. One becomes hardened to it but it's not something I enjoy or wish to share with others. Same as with shooting, nothing manly or educational in seeing a load of blood and guts.

I really do question the mentality of people who take pictures and presumably get enjoyment from gory kills.

[Lloyd90]

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Is it?

 

I couldn't think of anything further from the truth. Doctors "Cut up corpses" to either determine a cause of death or for another forensic reason or it is for training in a medical school.

 

I doubt that they hack a head of a body, smash it open with a hammer and then post the pictures on "Doctorwatch" with comments like "Cor have you seen what a 20oz ball pein hammer does when swung from behind the head"

 

It is not big, clever or educational to post pictures of your quarry blown apart, with their entrails hanging out or head missing.

 

If you find it in anyway exciting then you really are sick in the head.

 

If you read my post proper I said its like "THE FIRST DOCTORS." That's how they learned all about the body, by seeing it in parts and taking it apart.

 

I think everyone is going to disagree on this no matter what people say, but look at the votes. More people seem to think those posts should stay!

[Zapp]

but look at the votes. More people seem to think those posts should stay!

 

Eh?

 

They are ammo for the antis - don't do it: 35.09%

 

I find them very ineresting and/or educational: 29.82%

 

I sometimes read them out of mild interest: 25.44%

 

I don't read them, but don't mind them being posted: 9.56%

 

ZB

[Lloyd90]

Eh?

 

They are ammo for the antis - don't do it: 35.09%

 

I find them very ineresting and/or educational: 29.82%

 

I sometimes read them out of mild interest: 25.44%

 

I don't read them, but don't mind them being posted: 9.56%

 

ZB

 

35% dont want them!

29% Find them interesting and educational! + 25% read them out of interest! + 9% dont mind them!!

 

So Like I said more people dont mind or want them to stay than want them gone!