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Been using Eley Supergame 32g no 6 or 5's on Pigeon with a plastic wad. Found that these are knocking lumps out of me using my Silver Pig, to the point that I have come out with a lump on the jaw a couple of times, even with a Gel Tech recoil pad! I know this is partly due to mount but I have shot rifles for years and old habbits die hard..

 

Can any one suggest a good fibre wad load which will still knock down the pigeons at normal ranges 30/40 yards whilst being kinder to my shoulder and face on a long day?

 

Cheers

 

Huey

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Felt recoil is a product among other things of the type of powder that is used in the cartridge. Very fast powders such as red dot give a very sharp recoil but the cartridge companies love it because the only use about 19 grains per cartridge (cheap) and the end user equates the sharp recoil with a good powerful load.

However, if they used a much slower powder like green dot the velocities would be probably higher but the felt recoil would be milder. The downside is that they have to use much more powder with the green dot and that costs money.

 

If you want cheap cartridges you will get fast powders.

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I have the same problem with my silver pig with the recoil into the jaw and was at a pre-season lesson the other day and i told the instructor it had been kicking into my jaw and giving a swelling on a big day with 28g carts when on clays when i got through 300-400 odd carts (you expect some nocking about after that) but now i do feel it after maybe 50 30g carts on pigeons so he tryed the gun and said he felt it was down to a high comb and when we got back to the gunsmith/shop at the grounds where said lesson took place he measured it up and said it wasn't a high comb but was in fact a thick comb that had not been tapered nearly enough ;) and if it gave me trouble they could get it sorted out but to try it this season so i will and will probably have the gun back in with them before the end of the season. Hope this may help you and you could always try a past field pro recoil pad that goes on the shoulder i have one and it works wonders when i actually deiced to use it B)

 

George

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Are you guys really shooting such lite cartriges? My favorite are the Winchester special pigion, at 36 gramm, shoot loads of them and have never had a problem with pain in any form.Is it me , or is it a gun mount thing with you guys?I have even had the nipper shoot these cartriges with no problem, don't understand the problem.How many do you shoot for a sesion?I would grade an averige here at 75-100.

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Are you guys really shooting such lite cartriges? My favorite are the Winchester special pigion, at 36 gramm, shoot loads of them and have never had a problem with pain in any form.Is it me , or is it a gun mount thing with you guys?I have even had the nipper shoot these cartriges with no problem, don't understand the problem.How many do you shoot for a sesion?I would grade an averige here at 75-100.

 

I shoot 28's for economics. While I don't shoot many carts on average, I see no need for a heavier one. A one ounce load of 6's around 1200-1250 fps is about perfect so far as I'm concerned for anything flying in the uplands. That is my standard 12 or 16 gauge load. For the 20 ga I'll drop to 3/4 oz.

 

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Rick

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I am slightly concerned you should have no bother with 30gm carts and a silver pig. I think you should get some advice on gun mount and swing will be a better long run fix. I have been known to shoot 50gm loads through my 686 and although I wouldn't want to do it all day the aren't too bad.

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I am slightly concerned you should have no bother with 30gm carts and a silver pig. I think you should get some advice on gun mount and swing will be a better long run fix. I have been known to shoot 50gm loads through my 686 and although I wouldn't want to do it all day the aren't too bad.

 

 

It is not always gun mount or fit that is the issue. I never felt recoil at all until a year or so back when I trapped a nerve in my neck and soon after that I began to feel everything.

 

I had a recoil reducer fitted to my gun and can now happily fire any cartridge my gun is proofed for with no issues.

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Thanks for all of the replies usefull info. I think that I will stear clear of 28g loads as my previous experiance has shown that they start running out of energy at around 35 yards and dont always produce clean kills at range.

 

Since my original post I have been out a couple of times again shooting pigeon over stubble fields. I have noticed that I only catch myself in the jaw when I mount the gun too high in the shoulder. Obvious solution, dont raise the gun too high; easier said than done but being a rifle shooter and snap shooting from a hide... I think I will have to accept the inevitable knock in the face from time to time and reduce the powder in my pigeon carts.

 

As the game season is almost upon us I hope to buy a cartridge for partridge, rough of pigeon shooting keeping my residual stock of no5 32g's for pheasants.

 

I have rang around a couple of local gun shops and I can get a hold of no6 30g Eley Grand Prix or Express Pigeon for roughly the same cost. The Eleys are 50fps quicker according to web site stats but not sure what difference such a small increase in velocity will make. Kent Velocity are available at a good price but unfortunatley they only come in plas wad in no6.

 

Huey

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