huey Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Been using Eley Supergame 32g no 6 or 5's on Pigeon with a plastic wad. Found that these are knocking lumps out of me using my Silver Pig, to the point that I have come out with a lump on the jaw a couple of times, even with a Gel Tech recoil pad! I know this is partly due to mount but I have shot rifles for years and old habbits die hard.. Can any one suggest a good fibre wad load which will still knock down the pigeons at normal ranges 30/40 yards whilst being kinder to my shoulder and face on a long day? Cheers Huey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) Try Express 'Pigeon Special'! Edited July 22, 2009 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huey Posted July 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 what load are they mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 The Hull cartridge "Special Pigeon" work well and are relatively soft shootiing. Hull Special Pigeon Might be worth getting your gun fit checked if you are getting smacked about a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) what load are they mate? Pigeon Special; A sweet shooting 30gram but the unsold original experimental batch were 28gram. Edit: A tad over 28gram, (one ounce, 28.4gram). Barrel-time was excellent. Edited July 23, 2009 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Hi, Huey, As they say, "pattern kills". 2.5mm (some say 61/2 shot) pellets have plenty of energy at your 40 yards and 1oz will have the same number of pellets (well, OK, 3 less) as your 11/8oz of No 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huey Posted July 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Thanks for replies so far. I have shot Hull carts before but got no experiance of Express, they expensive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Felt recoil is a product among other things of the type of powder that is used in the cartridge. Very fast powders such as red dot give a very sharp recoil but the cartridge companies love it because the only use about 19 grains per cartridge (cheap) and the end user equates the sharp recoil with a good powerful load. However, if they used a much slower powder like green dot the velocities would be probably higher but the felt recoil would be milder. The downside is that they have to use much more powder with the green dot and that costs money. If you want cheap cartridges you will get fast powders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooternick Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Maybe a semi auto could hold the answer less recoil for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 I think Gamebore Clear Pigeon kick a bit so avoid those. I use 32g 5 Fiocchi at the moment and they are quite smooth. A better bet would be to improve your mount somehow. Then the world's your oyster haha B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groach1234 Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 I have the same problem with my silver pig with the recoil into the jaw and was at a pre-season lesson the other day and i told the instructor it had been kicking into my jaw and giving a swelling on a big day with 28g carts when on clays when i got through 300-400 odd carts (you expect some nocking about after that) but now i do feel it after maybe 50 30g carts on pigeons so he tryed the gun and said he felt it was down to a high comb and when we got back to the gunsmith/shop at the grounds where said lesson took place he measured it up and said it wasn't a high comb but was in fact a thick comb that had not been tapered nearly enough and if it gave me trouble they could get it sorted out but to try it this season so i will and will probably have the gun back in with them before the end of the season. Hope this may help you and you could always try a past field pro recoil pad that goes on the shoulder i have one and it works wonders when i actually deiced to use it B) George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Try using RC Titano's 31gr 6's. I used them for the second time on saturday and they are very soft on the shoulder but killed really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 The clear pigeon 32g 6's have done well by me so long as I've done my part. Shooting them from a light SxS hasn't given me any abnormal recoil. That said, the pigeon specials described above (1 oz) sound about perfect if they are right around 1200 fps or so. Thanks Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soreshoulder Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 i think its gunfit. I was getting absoultley smacked in the cheek but got the stock bent, not i can fire 200 carts with no cheek pain, just shoulder B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traztaz Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Are you guys really shooting such lite cartriges? My favorite are the Winchester special pigion, at 36 gramm, shoot loads of them and have never had a problem with pain in any form.Is it me , or is it a gun mount thing with you guys?I have even had the nipper shoot these cartriges with no problem, don't understand the problem.How many do you shoot for a sesion?I would grade an averige here at 75-100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George1990 Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 30 gramm drop em easily and are cheaper than heavier cartridges. Shoot 100 28g on a clay session with no probs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-6 Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Express do a "special game" with a 25g load of 6's or 7's. The 7's should do well on the pellet count for normal, sensible range decoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casts_by_fly Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 Are you guys really shooting such lite cartriges? My favorite are the Winchester special pigion, at 36 gramm, shoot loads of them and have never had a problem with pain in any form.Is it me , or is it a gun mount thing with you guys?I have even had the nipper shoot these cartriges with no problem, don't understand the problem.How many do you shoot for a sesion?I would grade an averige here at 75-100. I shoot 28's for economics. While I don't shoot many carts on average, I see no need for a heavier one. A one ounce load of 6's around 1200-1250 fps is about perfect so far as I'm concerned for anything flying in the uplands. That is my standard 12 or 16 gauge load. For the 20 ga I'll drop to 3/4 oz. Thanks Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 I am slightly concerned you should have no bother with 30gm carts and a silver pig. I think you should get some advice on gun mount and swing will be a better long run fix. I have been known to shoot 50gm loads through my 686 and although I wouldn't want to do it all day the aren't too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 I am slightly concerned you should have no bother with 30gm carts and a silver pig. I think you should get some advice on gun mount and swing will be a better long run fix. I have been known to shoot 50gm loads through my 686 and although I wouldn't want to do it all day the aren't too bad. It is not always gun mount or fit that is the issue. I never felt recoil at all until a year or so back when I trapped a nerve in my neck and soon after that I began to feel everything. I had a recoil reducer fitted to my gun and can now happily fire any cartridge my gun is proofed for with no issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utectok Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 MC ouch trapped nerve sounds painful glad you found a solution! I have a rad recoil reducer on my gun helps with the big loads! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huey Posted September 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Thanks for all of the replies usefull info. I think that I will stear clear of 28g loads as my previous experiance has shown that they start running out of energy at around 35 yards and dont always produce clean kills at range. Since my original post I have been out a couple of times again shooting pigeon over stubble fields. I have noticed that I only catch myself in the jaw when I mount the gun too high in the shoulder. Obvious solution, dont raise the gun too high; easier said than done but being a rifle shooter and snap shooting from a hide... I think I will have to accept the inevitable knock in the face from time to time and reduce the powder in my pigeon carts. As the game season is almost upon us I hope to buy a cartridge for partridge, rough of pigeon shooting keeping my residual stock of no5 32g's for pheasants. I have rang around a couple of local gun shops and I can get a hold of no6 30g Eley Grand Prix or Express Pigeon for roughly the same cost. The Eleys are 50fps quicker according to web site stats but not sure what difference such a small increase in velocity will make. Kent Velocity are available at a good price but unfortunatley they only come in plas wad in no6. Huey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 I'd consider getting myself a semi auto for pigeon shooting then you can shoot more or less any carts you like and you wont feel it. I would also steer very wide of kent velocities....they wont give you a lump on your jaw...theyll break it!!!! B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huey Posted September 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Cheers for tip will give Kents a miss then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 I would if you value your fillings!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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