MM Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Everybody has failed to notice that it was dead to start with. A piece of paper fired from an elastic band will kill a dead fox. :lol: :yp: :P Blackbart, this has got to be the best thread ive seen this for a while. many thanks for your efforts. :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 out of interest was the rifle a .22 or a .177 ? oh and you should definatly change your name to 'the surgeon' cant wait for the next installment lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted February 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 out of interest was the rifle a .22 or a .177 ? oh and you should definatly change your name to 'the surgeon' cant wait for the next installment lol It was a .22 and i wouldnt hold your breath for the next time i chop a fox up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSS Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 I'm with you on this one, that would make very interesting reading, but don't let sporting gun get hold of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 It was a .22 and i wouldnt hold your breath for the next time i chop a fox up there was a weirdo on here who used to do autopsies on them to find what they'd been eating, must be the stuff of wet dreams this thread for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesLeic Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 I'm with you on this one, that would make very interesting reading, but don't let sporting gun get hold of it Agreed this one will be great to see, given its surprising performance it would be nice to see a boar aswell if any arrangement could be made with any forest of dean lads.....(probably being abit optomistic for this one to happen tho) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) boar and deer would be less likely as they have heads designed for bashing things and each other so skulls are thicker. Actually I do know a keeper who tried to destroy a pot bellied pig with a .22lr and that resulted in a ****** off piggie after 3 shots he had to go back for a bigger gun Edited February 12, 2010 by al4x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lister1 Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 what happened to the point blank sjot in the top of the head? looking at the 10yrd side shot i guess it would have done a bit of dammage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiemonsterandmerlin. Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 One of the most crazy things I heard was a bloke trying to shot a crazy escaped bull with a .22 rimfire. Regards OTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPARKIE Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 thought they used .22lr for cattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 they used to in the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
night owl Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 last time i heard of a bull being shot with a 22lr i did not go aquarding to plan it smashed the gate down smashed a car up then ran 2 fields away farmer had to run back to his house and get the .270 to put it down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicykillgaz Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 very informative but what if a head shots not an option can you go back and do the same experiment for boiler room shots please just to make sure we have all angles covered:yes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blacksheep Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 (edited) Cattle are killed with a captive bolt pistol , which is a pistol that fires a hollow bolt into the brain , powered by .22 Rimfire blanks Edited February 12, 2010 by Blacksheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heladoxa Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 One of the most crazy things I heard was a bloke trying to shot a crazy escaped bull with a .22 rimfire. Regards OTH Craziest thing I heard of was a bloke who shot his goat through the top of its head with a revolver, and put his other hand under its chin to steady it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heladoxa Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 very informative but what if a head shots not an option can you go back and do the same experiment for boiler room shots please just to make sure we have all angles covered:yes: That seems a reasonable request. Go do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted February 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 very informative but what if a head shots not an option can you go back and do the same experiment for boiler room shots please just to make sure we have all angles covered:yes: I tell you what..send me your address and i will post the fox to you and you can do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Have'nt had time to read all through this thread but i've seen a fox shot stone dead at about 30 yards-guy used a .22 Original 45 in standard condition.Never seen it before nor since but i ,for one, would'nt ever try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activeviii Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 When i was a lot younger i had a fox in a trap and didn't know what to do, i was about 13. anyway, me and my trusty .177 webley omega sorted the fox with a single shot to the front of the head. i can remember it like it was yesterday. fox was in a cage trap and i was asked to sort it out. i went down the track with the air rifle and spend ten minutes trying to work out what to do so i just put the rifle barrel into the cage, pointed at its head and squeezed. it just dropped, no messing or anything, dead as dead gets. first and only time i have done this and i like to think im old enough to know better now. Phil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Im not suprised that you got that result, i know of a couple of people that have killed foxes at that sort of range with sub 12ft lbs. I wouldnt do it as i have more powerful tools but it does kill them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 (edited) OK, a fox "can" be killed with a sub 12 lb air rifle, and this thread and "experiment" proves it, but the shot would have to be placed in exactly the right place from a reasonably close range, using the correct type of pellet. That is all well and good, and I raise my hat to the O.P. for putting so much effort and time into it. What we have to be very careful of here is that we don't get a few idiots (Which we almost certainly will) that read this and think that it gives them justification to go out and try shooting foxes left right and centre with the first air gun that falls into their hands. Please let us emphasise that this was an "experiment" only and was only carried out to find if it was POSSIBLE for a sub 12 ft/lb air gun to kill a fox and it is not saying that it is O.K. to use sub 12 ft/lb air guns to go out fox hunting! We all have to recognise that foxes are vermin and all vermin must be controlled, but controlling them should be done as humanely as possible using the right "tools for the job"! To use anything other than the "Right tool for the job" will only bring fox control under even further scrutiny from the "Antis", something that we could all do without! Edited February 14, 2010 by Frenchieboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted February 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 OK, a fox "can" be killed with a sub 12 lb air rifle, and this thread and "experiment" proves it, but the shot would have to be placed in exactly the right place from a reasonably close range, using the correct type of pellet. That is all well and good, and I raise my hat to the O.P. for putting so much effort and time into it. What we have to be very careful of here is that we don't get a few idiots (Which we almost certainly will) that read this and think that it gives them justification to go out and try shooting foxes left right and centre with the first air gun that falls into their hands.Please let us emphasise that this was an "experiment" only and was only carried out to find if it was POSSIBLE for a sub 12 ft/lb air gun to kill a fox and it is not saying that it is O.K. to use sub 12 ft/lb air guns to go out fox hunting! We all have to recognise that foxes are vermin and all vermin must be controlled, but controlling them should be done as humanely as possible using the right "tools for the job"! To use anything other than the "Right tool for the job" will only bring fox control under even further scrutiny from the "Antis", something that we could all do without! I did it to prove it could be done and not should be done. And truth be known,i nearly didnt post the results for just that reason..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Please don't get me wrong Blackbart, I was not having a go at you or faulting what you have done, I was just stressing the point that we can not condone the use of sub 12 ft/lb air rifles as an acceptable "tool" for hunting foxes with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcountryman Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Cattle are killed with a captive bolt pistol , which is a pistol that fires a hollow bolt into the brain , powered by .22 Rimfire blanks My neighbour works at a slaughterhouse and they occasionally get Bison in. The captive bolt gun won't do the job on them, as they found out...However, they have a .308 hidden away somewhere which comes out in these situations. The carcasses are often inspected and any with more than 2 bolt gun holes in the head can get the company in deep poo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon_snIPer Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Very educative - thanks a lot Bart. Any chance you can repeat the same experiment at a longer range and with a FAC powered air rifle /s/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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