MPT1 Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 There is a big fuss going on about this stuff which although legal is apparently highly addictive. They are considering banning it but say it may be imposssible. Being of the sixties I remember all the cough medicines that contained speed, Dr Collis Browns that contained opiates. Even Airwick contained drugs which some people used to chew to get hit. Woolworths sold seeds and all the Mods went in and bought Morning Glory which gave a buzz. They were all removed fom circulation until the "active ingredient" was removed. Anyone tried it yet? :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 (edited) Media being plonkers yet again. The two boys who died from Methadrone, (not that I support drug use) was kinda like saying they got lead posioning from being shot. Yes they had the **** in them, but no one is point the finger at the booze and other drugs they'd been trying to make their livers fail with aswell. Furthermore, I'd never even heard of the stuff before this whole who-ha came out. I bet that the meth's producers don't care if it's being made illegal, as they'd would of done 10 years buissness in a couple of weeks with all this media frenzy. *edit* - Remebers the days of Cymag, and the steriods that came with that? - no wonder it was so popular. Edited March 18, 2010 by Bleeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurstpol Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I dont know about you but I aint taking anything I dont know about, I may be over cautious, but when I go to the quacks and I have been given a prescription I read the data sheet with great care, and the list of side effects and cautions usually scare the bejesus out of me, I feel sorry for anyone who uses drugs, but they are all volunteers and do it at their own risk, I agree we should try and protect the idiot and the vulnerable persons who use drugs and ban things that are dangerous, but we can only do so much as supply is usually driven by demand. Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 (edited) I think everyone on here knows how effective 'bans' are :look: If they ban this the people who chose to attempt to use a legal, tested and 'safe' substance for their jollies will either just buy it illegally, wait for another legal alternative or switch to a different illegal drug if its too expensive. I saw one of those Police Camera jobbies last week that said an ecstacy pills were now about £2 a shot and will keep you 'buzzing' all night long More pointless legislation from the government that likes to say NO! :yp: Mark Edited March 18, 2010 by Breastman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 the fact that those two boys had also taken Methadone and large amounts of alcohol seems to have been rather swept aside by the fanatical banning brigade. it's the same with any new drug that comes along - mass hysteria and government hubbub leading to the drug being banned and then pushed underground without any decent testing and research being done. because it's then an underground drug - it criminalises users and no companies can be held accountable for any damage it may do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 simple answer is contaminate the UK supply with something lethal and kill off all the drug users and job done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 call me a buzz kill but I just looked it up and none of the side effects look that nice :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonySmith Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I remember when sniffing Curry powder was all the rage, until a lot of people ended up in hospital in a korma............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 :yp: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollie Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 simple answer is contaminate the UK supply with something lethal and kill off all the drug users and job done This is a far better solution :yp: . It will get rid of the wasters and end their sad excuse for a life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 It's not a new drug Has been around for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 they're milking it on the net, plant-food.net is flogging it at £2K for 500 grammes thats some special kind of plant food. Makes you think you should find a wholesale supply of actual plant food and start selling it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULT Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 anybody tried baby bio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 anybody tried baby bio rumour has it if you stick your todger in it it does what it says on the tin. Not tried it myself but worth spreading the rumour as eventually some mug will try it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanibaby Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I watched a documentary a few months ago about 'legal highs' in which TV presenter George Lamb sampled loads of different legal drugs that were available on the net and interviewed the MDs of the online companies that were selling them. Quite interestingly, the side effects and 'come downs' were far worse than the commonly used illegal stuff like ecstasy and speed etc... And the company directors had no idea about what was in the drugs, or what the side effects were. Like Nick Beardo mentioned, the guys in the news (who live not many miles from the small town where I grew up, which also had its fair share of drug use and deaths etc) had also taken Methadone, which is what heroine addicts are prescribed when they're trying to get clean, and plenty of alcohol - so yes, I think there's an awful lot of scaremongering going on, as in reality there are probably hundreds of thousands of kids using Mephedrone, and only two deaths (that probably had something to do with the Methodone and alcohol too) Still, it's right that the government are trying to ban 'legal highs' because the fact that they're legal does make people think that they are safe, and the websites don't give any information about side effects etc, which speaking from experience, are horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I watched a documentary a few months ago about 'legal highs' in which TV presenter George Lamb sampled loads of different legal drugs that were available on the net and interviewed the MDs of the online companies that were selling them. Quite interestingly, the side effects and 'come downs' were far worse than the commonly used illegal stuff like ecstasy and speed etc... And the company directors had no idea about what was in the drugs, or what the side effects were. Like Nick Beardo mentioned, the guys in the news (who live not many miles from the small town where I grew up, which also had its fair share of drug use and deaths etc) had also taken Methadone, which is what heroine addicts are prescribed when they're trying to get clean, and plenty of alcohol - so yes, I think there's an awful lot of scaremongering going on, as in reality there are probably hundreds of thousands of kids using Mephedrone, and only two deaths (that probably had something to do with the Methodone and alcohol too) Still, it's right that the government are trying to ban 'legal highs' because the fact that they're legal does make people think that they are safe, and the websites don't give any information about side effects etc, which speaking from experience, are horrible. Anyone with half a brain will research a drug legal or not if they are looking to experiment with it, as you said it's been around for all this time and it's only getting attention because someone decided to mix it with alcohol (which also, anyone with a brain cell knows is not a good thing). You don't think it's all a big time and money wasting charade just to take away the blame from the lack of teaching from parents? What good will come of banning it? Speaking of.. what's drug education at school like nowadays anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-oXo- Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 (edited) Anyone with half a brain will research a drug legal or not if they are looking to experiment with it, as you said it's been around for all this time and it's only getting attention because someone decided to mix it with alcohol (which also, anyone with a brain cell knows is not a good thing). You don't think it's all a big time and money wasting charade just to take away the blame from the lack of teaching from parents? What good will come of banning it? Speaking of.. what's drug education at school like nowadays anyway? They tell you all the effects of different types and drugs and show pictures etc and even give out a handy little booklet containing all the info on each type of drug including slang names etc so the kids knwo what their ordering and how screwed up they'll get on the friday night. Great idea, give kids a shopping list. Retards. Edited March 18, 2010 by -oXo- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yanibaby Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Anyone with half a brain will research a drug legal or not if they are looking to experiment with it, as you said it's been around for all this time and it's only getting attention because someone decided to mix it with alcohol (which also, anyone with a brain cell knows is not a good thing). You don't think it's all a big time and money wasting charade just to take away the blame from the lack of teaching from parents? What good will come of banning it? Speaking of.. what's drug education at school like nowadays anyway? You're probably right, although it's shocking how little many parents know about drugs, I think kids tend to learn from their peers... I left school ten years ago and don't remember being taught anything about drugs, but seemed to know a hell of a lot about them. I remember having a conversation with my dad a few years ago, trying to explain to him about all the different types of drugs- I guess it's because they weren't all around or as widely available as they are now. The info's there for anyone who wants it, especially nowadays with the internet... What I don't understand is what makes people decide to use them, or abuse them... For example, it's very well documented that Heroine is highly addictive, ruins peoples lives etc and can kill - so I can't understand what makes someone decide to try it for the first time. Not that I'm comparing MCat with Heroine of course, because generally people are aware of the dangers of heroine so are less inclined to use it, whereas a lot of people think that if this MCat stuff is legal and available to buy from shops and off the internet, then it must be OK? My point being, that people can know all about drugs and their dangers, yet still choose to take them, so educating them at school or at home isn't going to make that much difference. It's a tricky subject really - I don't know what the solution is... I just worry about my boy getting older and being exposed to this kind of thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klunk Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 It's amazing the lengths some people will go to to get a buzz. Police found a couple of lads near here recently, one had been drinking battery acid, and the other had been snorting gunpowder out of fireworks. Police charged one, and let the other one off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuck. Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 (edited) They tell you all the effects of different types and drugs and show pictures etc and even give out a handy little booklet containing all the info on each type of drug including slang names etc so the kids knwo what their ordering and how screwed up they'll get on the friday night. Great idea, give kids a shopping list. Retards. When I was at school, we probably had a couple of special tutorial lessons in place of Sex Education, they gave brief explanations of different types of drug but at the end of the sessions they'd tell us to look on a website, Talk to Frank It was this website that probably pushed half of the drug users in my class to use drugs for the first time. The information on the drugs was listed in a very easy to read format and extremely easy to navigate, but when it came to explaining drugs in bullet points there were more positives then negatives for most of them!! I haven't visited it since years ago so it might've changed.. You're probably right, although it's shocking how little many parents know about drugs, I think kids tend to learn from their peers... I left school ten years ago and don't remember being taught anything about drugs, but seemed to know a hell of a lot about them. I remember having a conversation with my dad a few years ago, trying to explain to him about all the different types of drugs- I guess it's because they weren't all around or as widely available as they are now. The info's there for anyone who wants it, especially nowadays with the internet... What I don't understand is what makes people decide to use them, or abuse them... For example, it's very well documented that Heroine is highly addictive, ruins peoples lives etc and can kill - so I can't understand what makes someone decide to try it for the first time. Not that I'm comparing MCat with Heroine of course, because generally people are aware of the dangers of heroine so are less inclined to use it, whereas a lot of people think that if this MCat stuff is legal and available to buy from shops and off the internet, then it must be OK? My point being, that people can know all about drugs and their dangers, yet still choose to take them, so educating them at school or at home isn't going to make that much difference. It's a tricky subject really - I don't know what the solution is... I just worry about my boy getting older and being exposed to this kind of thing! People usually go into harder drugs like Heroin from moving from less potent ones after they become accustomed to the high from the previous drug. I don't think any 'drugs' being legal can tempt smart kids to try them purely for this reason, they know alcohol and tobacco are legal but still stay away from them. When I was at school the legal high was Salvia, and I think poppers.. but only the kids who were into Cannabis and other drugs were interested in them, so being legal was never a deciding factor. Anyway with regard to banning these designer drugs any Chemistry savvy individual with the know-how could indefinitely keep creating new legal designer drugs as soon as the last was banned from just altering their molecular structure. As long as kids are taught about drugs, properly, (not scare tactics though as that will make them more inclined to try them), then they will be given the tools to discern for themselves and weigh up whether or not it's worth it. Don't know why I didn't turn to drugs as most of my old mates did.. I suppose the way I was always taught about drugs was to weigh up all the facts for myself and never bothered with them. (Did try a few but never saw the appeal). Edited March 18, 2010 by Shuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Cocaine is not a solution. ..Unless you put it in water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Master Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I won't touch Mcat. FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Reminds me of Brass Eye's documentary on the new legal drug called >> << I did try and embed it, but it weren't having it. Apologies to the mods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Mephadrone...sounds like the Essex version of methadone................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delbert Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I knew a lad that got wasted sniffing Harpic .....................it sent him clean round the bend :good: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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