DSPUK Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Four weeks ago at our local shoot we had some ramblers pass by - now there is a public footpath right through the middle of ground and each shoot a sign saying "shooting in Progress" please wave red flag blow whistle and sound horn and someone will call you through - in the 15 yrs I have been shooting there I have only seen two groups - This group had a mind of it's own and thought "we will go pretty way round edge of field - Yep right in front of guns - they were about 200yrds away and were seen before they got close anyway so everything stopped for them - Well it seems they have been to the council - guess what - We can't shoot over that field anymore - this ground has been there for 25 yrs with no trouble at all - so that's four stands gone and organiser's have had to squeeze up the other six stands to get the ten in -- Must say it's changed the layouts and a lot more thinking has gone into set up - HG was 49x60 instead of usual mid 50's - twenty ton of road scrapings are on site and new path's have been laid at far end in boggy bit. But what a load of tossers these people are - seem to think they own the place. Grrrrrrrrrrr Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toombsy Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Sign of the times mate - equality for all etc etc. They got what they wanted, but more importantly you and your club continue to shoot, albeit with slight restrictions. It could be worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 take your dog's first thing in a morning to take a dump on the newly laid footpath's personally i don't mind rambler's they're just getting out and doing what they enjoy.i do however object to something stopping someone else's hobbies from taking place or being compromised just so they can have their cake and eat it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 personally i don't mind rambler's they're just getting out and doing what they enjoy.i do however object to something stopping someone else's hobbies from taking place or being compromised just so they can have their cake and eat it Trouble is, it's always the ramblers. I love going for a walk in the country, but I don't want to be associated with the ramblers association who think that the countryside is only for them. Nobody should be allowed to cycle, shoot, walk dogs, ride horses, drive 4x4s or have any other kind of hobby except the same one as they do. Grrrrr indeed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHOOTEMUP Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 (edited) What grounds did they use to complain, was it noise? obstruction of the footpath? falling shot? Why not challenge this instead of rolling over and just giving up? just because the council say something doesnt mean its right you know. Ask what the complaint was about and ask for proof?? you have HUMAN RIGHTS AS WELL! Edited March 21, 2010 by SHOOTEMUP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 they will all ways come befor the shooters.we can get away with nothing,because its guns, had it been fishing rods it would have been ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSPUK Posted March 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 I am not a committee member - I asked why gully wasn't on and member told me the ramblers complained to Council - I would think knowing our committee they argued our case but being shooters "we have no rights" -- I would think they could have been near about max for fallout and also found out they never used path but came across fields - It seems they have to use these paths once a year to keep them open and they pick a shooting day. Also considering how close this ground and other one 1/4 mile away are to built up area I am surprised this is first complaint but also the grounds are right next to M6 so locals must be used to noise. - The other ground had a complaint about shooting on Rememberance Sunday although we always had 2 min silence - someone complained again and we had 15min next year (councils orders) now the shoot isn't on that Sunday now. So we are slowly getting eaten away. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Trouble is, it's always the ramblers. I love going for a walk in the country, but I don't want to be associated with the ramblers association who think that the countryside is only for them. Nobody should be allowed to cycle, shoot, walk dogs, ride horses, drive 4x4s or have any other kind of hobby except the same one as they do. Grrrrr indeed!! i agree, i used to do a lot of green laning, out of all the footpaths and green lanes we were aloud to use 5%, the ramblers were allowed 100% and still they complained, i've had the police round on several occaisions due to people taking my reg number, i've been threatened, hit with sticks, had dogs set on me, in the end i ran one persons dog over when it tried to bite the wheels and had the police waiting for me when i got home, i made a counter complaint about the dog as it was on a public footpath it should have been on a lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagsy Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Oh, the joys of a day out in the countryside eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarkPassenger Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 A think a comedian (can't remember who) did a well observed sketch on the "special place" in the moral highground that is solely occupied by ramblers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 A think a comedian (can't remember who) did a well observed sketch on the "special place" in the moral highground that is solely occupied by ramblers. :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 Can you not plead grandfather rights? If the clay shoot has been operating for 15 years with not a sign of ramblers then surely you have more right to the land than them? I'd still appeal either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSPUK Posted March 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 The ramblers do it once a year at least and it could be any day of week and also the Sunday we don't shoot so don't think that's a goer. As usual we are on sharp end of the stick. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 What are the CPSA doing to help out? Have you contacted them for any advice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaserF3 Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 What are the CPSA doing to help out? Have you contacted them for any advice? I would think that the CPSA will do nothing :unsure: But it would be good to be proven wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 I would think that the CPSA will do nothing But it would be good to be proven wrong That really was my point BUT they should be helping out as they are meant to be "Encouraging and supporting the sport of clay pigeon shooting" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snozzer Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Did they stray of the path. I don't think you need to make any changes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 What are the CPSA doing to help out? Have you contacted them for any advice? Im with you there ,they should be the first port of call as they have legal teams who look into this sort of thing all the time ,they are after all our reperesentative body(if you are CPSA affiliated) go for it what have you got to lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph5172 Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 You may find the Council Used The Highways Act, Section 130... probably along the lines of :- An obstruction to a highway is defined as ‘something where a person wilfully and without lawful authority obstructs the whole or part of a highway from the public use’. and A physical obstruction to a public right of way that prevents the public from using it and by so doing constitutes a risk to health and safety. even though signs are in place you are stopping uninterrupted passage.... you could always apply to have the path temporarily relocated on shoot days (behind the guns, as its your land following the boundary along to the original path) and signed with the diversion. The council should have provided the Act on the Notice... If it was issued in super quick time it would have been a Priority One (Health and Safety) Hope that helps... a bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSPUK Posted March 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Thanks for all the replies - The shoot rent's the land so I don't know what exactly the council said to Committee or Committee to council. All I know is what a committee member told me when I asked why we wasn't shooting over field to left. That was the council have stopped us after ramblers complained. ?? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Have you checked all of the committees shooting bags for bobble hats, OS contour maps and tartan thermos'? You may have a mole Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatbloke Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 Four weeks ago at our local shoot we had some ramblers pass by - now there is a public footpath right through the middle of ground and each shoot a sign saying "shooting in Progress" please wave red flag blow whistle and sound horn and someone will call you through - in the 15 yrs I have been shooting there I have only seen two groups - This group had a mind of it's own and thought "we will go pretty way round edge of field - Yep right in front of guns - they were about 200yrds away and were seen before they got close anyway so everything stopped for them - Well it seems they have been to the council - guess what - We can't shoot over that field anymore - this ground has been there for 25 yrs with no trouble at all - so that's four stands gone and organiser's have had to squeeze up the other six stands to get the ten in -- Must say it's changed the layouts and a lot more thinking has gone into set up - HG was 49x60 instead of usual mid 50's - twenty ton of road scrapings are on site and new path's have been laid at far end in boggy bit.But what a load of tossers these people are - seem to think they own the place. Grrrrrrrrrrr Dave I here there might be an open season on ramblers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 I was at a woodland sporting shoot a couple of weeks ago and a rambler walked right in front of me when I was shooting an uphill stand. The clay flight line was just above the tree canopy so in a sense he was more in danger of being hit by shrapnel but about 20 people shouted at him all at once and he just plodded along like he was oblivious. When he crossed my line has was well within lethal range of a 12 bore. All laws and danger sings were in place - unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 (edited) I was at a woodland sporting shoot a couple of weeks ago and a rambler walked right in front of me when I was shooting an uphill stand. The clay flight line was just above the tree canopy so in a sense he was more in danger of being hit by shrapnel but about 20 people shouted at him all at once and he just plodded along like he was oblivious. When he crossed my line has was well within lethal range of a 12 bore. All laws and danger sings were in place - unbelievable. Right to roam init! - in their eyes and intrepretation this legislation gives them the right to walk where they like regardless. Sadly it will need one to get injured in some way and a court case they loose to stop this attitude. D Edited May 4, 2010 by Yellow Bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderbird Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 If it can be explained easily, what exactly is the right to roam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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