hogey Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Well this weekends events in Northumbria add more fuel to the fires of the gun antis I came down the A69 at lunch time and was suprised to see so many armed police with weapons you usually see with the Milatary. I hope the officer that was shot makes a speedy recovery and the hunt is brought to a swift safe conclusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Sounds like it might have been illegally held : "When asked how Moat might have got a gun, Ms Hornsby said: "He knew everybody and knew how to get things." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogey Posted July 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Sounds like it might have been illegally held : "When asked how Moat might have got a gun, Ms Hornsby said: "He knew everybody and knew how to get things." I am pretty sure it is illegally held and the barrel a bit shorter than required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonD Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 I also hope the officer makes a speedy recovery. Aparrently the guy had only been out of 3 days and was considered dangerous... If he was considered dangerous why was he released? Jon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster123 Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 yes drove past th 69 turn off and there were more police than ive ever seen . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 (edited) If he was considered dangerous why was he released? Jon. If the reports in the mirror are correct he should have been inside for 5 years at least He turned up on the doorstep brandishing a gun screaming that Sam had a man in the house and she should let him out to 'get what's coming to him'. We barricaded the door and hid in my bedroom. He rang Sam on her mobile and said he was going to shoot us all. Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2.../#ixzz0skHhGBue Edited July 4, 2010 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the running man Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 If the reports in the mirror are correct he should have been inside for 5 years at least this we dont need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 yes drove past th 69 turn off and there were more police than ive ever seen . Thats because he shot a policeman there last night shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Yet again, tragic events :blink: It sounds like the handgun ban is doing a fine job as always! I certainly wouldn't say this is bad for shooters, these guns have been banned for ten years so how could he possibly have got hold of one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster123 Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 i think he used a shotgun by all accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Given that he was just out of the nick, the gun must have been illegally held. I look on it as a demonstration that banning or changing legislation relating to legally held guns will not help reduce gun crime as, for the most part, the weapons used are illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Let's give Joe Public some credit. Look at the guy, look at his record (of violence), read that his 'temper' was known about etc etc. I don't think such an incident will go against the (law abiding) shooting community. OK yes the anti-gun lobby will use it to have aniother dig but I really don't think their looney ideas cut much with the public at large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 This isn't bad press for us but is seriously nasty, there is a lot more to come from this I reckon and hopefully they don't dither. If this guy wants suicide by cop they should give it to him hopefully wothout anyone else getting injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linny58 Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 By seeing his pictures he doesn't look like the sort who commit suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 (edited) If this guy wants suicide by cop they should give it to him hopefully wothout anyone else getting injured. well placed none fatal wounds, why ruin a career over it. Hopefully they pick him swiftly and without incident to the police or general public, it has been reported he has threatened in the past with a firearm which is why i believe he should have been doing a much longer stretch than 18 months (the current laws if properly applied would have prevented this, if the reports are true EDIT: Seems the previous incident wasn't reported to the police........ Edited July 5, 2010 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 why would it ruin a career this guy has already shot one policeman so i can't really see any enquiry finding any wrong doing if the shot is fatal, fingers crossed they pick him up shortly as after cumbria this could go a horribly similar way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 why would it ruin a career this guy has already shot one policeman so i can't really see any enquiry finding any wrong doing if the shot is fatal, fingers crossed they pick him up shortly as after cumbria this could go a horribly similar way Firearms officers that deliver a fatal shot don't usually remain in SO19, seems daft I know but the mental effects of "dispassionately" taking a human life (i.e. Not in a blind rage or other altered mental state) are unpredictable, so the force tends not to put them back out on the front line so to speak. In reality, apparently most officers in this position accept this situation quite happily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 According to R4 this morning, he thought his ex was dating a policeman and he's targeting them, hence the high level of security. On the plus side, the rest of the population's safe, as long as they don't wear hi-viz clothing or are traffic wardens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breastman Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 3 miles from me Not sure why anyone would think this will negatively affect legit shooters though Guy gets out of prison on Thursday, Illegally acquires functional sawn-off shotgun on Friday, Kills and injures on Saturday. Can't think of a more stark example demostrating how strict gun contol doesn't work/prevent determined nutters killing innocent people Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 According to R4 this morning, he thought his ex was dating a policeman and he's targeting them, hence the high level of security. On the plus side, the rest of the population's safe, as long as they don't wear hi-viz clothing or are traffic wardens... His ex thought he would leave her alone if she told him she was seeing a policeman shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiss.tony Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 3 miles from me Not sure why anyone would think this will negatively affect legit shooters though Guy gets out of prison on Thursday, Illegally acquires functional sawn-off shotgun on Friday, Kills and injures on Saturday. Can't think of a more stark example demostrating how strict gun contol doesn't work/prevent determined nutters killing innocent people Mark Here here criminals will all ways get there hand on firearms mate. Lets hope he shoots him self save the trial and more money wasted on him in jail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 (edited) Firearms officers that deliver a fatal shot don't usually remain in SO19, seems daft I know but the mental effects of "dispassionately" taking a human life (i.e. Not in a blind rage or other altered mental state) are unpredictable, so the force tends not to put them back out on the front line so to speak. In reality, apparently most officers in this position accept this situation quite happily. Indeed some don't remain in the police either. It is a good argument that gun control is indeed circumvented by those with criminal intent (but the antis will just use it as an excuse for even tighter controls on legit owners), may be its just more news worthy at the moment but it does seem like alot more coverage on these and other events I think 2010 may well see a spike in the Home office figures Edited July 5, 2010 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookbones Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 (edited) i live by the initial shooting in birtley n work just out of dent where the 2nd shooting took place.. there are all the police in the world buzzing about but other than the 1st days door to door i cant see that theres much being done. infact inlight of the threats he made the day b4 release against his ex id say the shear volume of police bodies on the ground is an attempt to look like all possible is being done after they dropped the ball on the 2nd maniac in as many months. oh n swiss.tony remember everytime some barmpot goes ape with a gun n then tops his self the public feels robbed of justice and thats when we legitimate shooters become scapegoats.. AGAIN! Edited July 5, 2010 by hookbones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Some doorman - He looks and sounds so tough yet needed a gun. Some crook is probably shacking him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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