28gm 7.5's for woodies?

[proTOM1]

Nothing wrong with 7.5s for pigeons been using them for over a year now and have shot plenty and have to say my kill ratio is up from when i used 6s

[Guest]

I must admit i love my new found Eley First 7.5 cartridges however I'm tempted to buy 250 HB Pigeon cartridges and put them to the test!

[Paul223]

Totally agree we measured some rottweil 6s that were very similar shot as hull 7s

a couple of years ago due to nearly the same discussion as this and express shot in 7.5

measured the same as express 8s so its a funny old subject.

I have some at the mo which are 7.5, 2.4mm (thats what it says on the case), which can be anything from 6.5 to 7.5, depending where you look

[Guest]

Nothing wrong with 7.5s for pigeons been using them for over a year now and have shot plenty and have to say my kill ratio is up from when i used 6s

 

Me too, i couldn't agree more!

[UKPoacher]

I was given about 400 Winchester 28g 7.5's and was a bit sceptical about using them on pigeons so I tried a few on closeish decoyed birds. They went fine, even took a few long shots and I've no qualms about using decent 7.5 cartridges in the right circumstances. I still buy 6's out of habit though.

[ollie]

I have always used 7 1/2's 28g at decoyed pigeons. I will go up to 32g 7's for roost shooting. There was an argument about this about half a year ago and it went on for nearly 20 pages, lets hope this one doesn't .

[Guest]

I have always used 7 1/2's 28g at decoyed pigeons. I will go up to 32g 7's for roost shooting. There was an argument about this about half a year ago and it went on for nearly 20 pages, lets hope this one doesn't .

 

I hope it doesn't go on for that long and i too go up to 30/32gm when roost shooting!

[Punt Gun]

I am new so please forgive me, surely pigeon is pigeon why shoot with a heavier load for roost shooting to decoying pigeon.

 

I hope it doesn't go on for that long and i too go up to 30/32gm when roost shooting!

[Guest]

I am new so please forgive me, surely pigeon is pigeon why shoot with a heavier load for roost shooting to decoying pigeon.

 

I'm not saying that 28gm cartridges wouldn't work because they probably would, it's just personal preference i guess, i like using heavier loads when roost shooting because i feel more confident, and a confident shooter is usually a good shooter!

[stevethevanman]

I normally use...32g 6.5's, however some people I know and mark gilchrist I believe I saw on his video using 7.5 trap cartridges from rio??

 

I think pattern has alot to be said for it, mostly alot of misses are down to people suddenly changing to the trap cartridges, when used to slower 32g loads they suddenly miss infront perhaps with faster 28g loads.

 

If you want trap performance with game hit then the gamebore black gold game looks very good , im told they are as good as people say they are

 

Steve

Edited July 19, 2010 by stevethevanman

[Guest]

I normally use...32g 6.5's, however some people I know and mark gilchrist I believe I saw on his video using 7.5 trap cartridges from rio??

 

I think pattern has alot to be said for it, mostly alot of misses are down to people suddenly changing to the trap cartridges, when used to slower 32g loads they suddenly miss infront perhaps with faster 28g loads.

 

If you want trap performance with game hit then the gamebore black gold game looks very good , im told they are as good as people say they are

 

Steve

 

I use Eley First 28gm 7.5's now in the field, the muzzle velocity is 1350fps so they're pretty quick and they're good killers as well as clay breakers!

[Ferret Master]

I am new so please forgive me, surely pigeon is pigeon why shoot with a heavier load for roost shooting to decoying pigeon.

Decoyed pigeon are typically shot at closer range.

 

Pigeon shot roost shooting are often shot at longer range and there may be branches getting in the way of the shot pattern.

 

FM

[marlin vs]

I normally use Fiocchi 32gr 7s on pigeon but the last day I ran out and all I had was Eley Olympic Trap cartridges in 8s back in the car so I chanced them and found that I shot the pigeon's just aswell with them,needless to say with the difference in price as soon as I get out again i'll give them another go,i'm the fella that wouldn't entertain anyone talking about using 28gr cartridges before this.Give them a try, they might suit you.

[Bluebarrels]

28gm 7.5s work fine for me over decoys for pigeon and crows however if i was roost shooting i would go upto 32gm 6s,BB

[Guest cookoff013]

close enough even 8`s would do the job

[wymberley]

Excluding anyone using a smaller bore with, say, 21grams and shooting at sensible ranges, when considering the quality of target offered, I think it's a crying shame that for the sake of a few pence if we're not careful the words "sport" and "pigeon shooting" are going to become a contradiction in terms. Patently, the expression "give it lore" has already been confined to sporting history.

[ollie]

I am new so please forgive me, surely pigeon is pigeon why shoot with a heavier load for roost shooting to decoying pigeon.

 

I change up to the heavier number 7's as the birds I shoot coming into roost can sometimes be higher and as someone already mentioned you can be shooing through branches.

[chrispti]

I use 28g #5 for everything, rabbits, decoying, roosting, flight line etc

[HW682]

The speed of loads has been mentioned a few times, so for anyone interested here is a list of mainstream lead cartridges from several manufacturers.

 

Gamebore competition

Super xlr (xtra low recoil)...........1350

white gold xlr (xtra low recoil).....1425

blue diamond.............................1425

black gold..................................1500

white gold original......................1450/1500

 

Hull game

High pheasant............................1450

Imperial....................................1450

Sterling game............................1450

Solway Magnum.........................1400

Ultramax...................................1350/1430

Hulmax..................................... 1430

3 crowns (for old guns)...............1410

special pigeon............................1390

 

Hull competition

soveriegn..................................1500

sovereign fitasc..........................1600

pro-one.....................................1500

pro-one dtl ................................1400

pro sport...................................1425

intercomp..................................1400

pro comp...................................1425 / 1375

chevron low recoil.......................1360

 

Lyalvale express game

pigeon express.......................... 1375

somerset game..........................1400

supreme game...........................1400

super game (heavy loads)...........1375/1350

special game..............................1350

 

Lyalvale express competition

supreme competition..................1475

world cup.................................. 1500

excel.........................................1450

super competition.......................1450

pro competition...........................1400

pro competition dtl......................1300

HV competition...........................1375/1400

 

Eley game

HB pigeon..................................1425

Hi flyer......................................1400

Hymax......................................1400

CT Game...................................1400

VIP game..................................1450

Gran Prix range........................1390/1450

maximum..................................1425

Alphmax....................................1450

Magnum....................................1425

classic game..............................1425

 

Eley competition

First..........................................1325/1350

Olympic.....................................1400

Blues.........................................1400

Superb......................................1450

VIP comp...................................1480

VIP sporting...............................1450

 

A few notes:

1) Gamebore game range not included as there is no info on their website

 

2) Ignoring specialist loads such as Magnums, extra low recoil for beginners / older guns or DTL cartridges - then the Eley First is pretty much the slowest cartridge out there.

 

3) Gamebore Black gold, white gold; Express World Cup & Hull Sovereign / pro-one are the fastest at 1500 / 1600 fps

 

HW682

Edited July 20, 2010 by HW682

[motty]

The speed of loads has been mentioned a few times, so for anyone interested here is a list of mainstream lead cartridges from several manufacturers.

 

 

 

A few notes:

1) Gamebore game range not included as there is no info on their website

 

2) Ignoring specialist loads such as Magnums, extra low recoil for beginners / older guns or DTL cartridges - then the Eley First is pretty much the slowest cartridge out there.

 

3) Gamebore Black gold, white gold; Express World Cup & Hull Sovereign / pro-one are the fastest at 1500 / 1600 fps

 

HW682

 

I think i'm right in saying that the difference between say a load that is travelling 1400fps and a load travelling at 1500 fps isn't a lot in real terms.

[wymberley]

I think i'm right in saying that the difference between say a load that is travelling 1400fps and a load travelling at 1500 fps isn't a lot in real terms.

Yep, down range where it matters its reduced to nit picking.

[foggy11]

I shoot black gold all the time now, pigeons and a lot of clays,,,,

 

A shooting friend shoots whit gold xlr,, now theres a differance of about 200 ft per second at muzzle velocity, and i used to think the same, that down range velocity would be negligible,

 

However shile shooting a Teal target a couple of week ago i was quite surprised...

 

He shot first and when he fired there was a bang and a short pause , then clay broke, so i though oh well its quite far out , must need a bit more lead than i thought...

 

When i got in the stand and shot, i just did my normal thing and the interesting point is that with my cartridges there was just bang and break with a much smaller gap...

 

My point is that , there was a fair difference in time between his clay breaking and mine, not a lot , but enough to realise that even down range, and im talking about a 40 yard bird, there is quite a differance. :blink:

[HW682]

I think i'm right in saying that the difference between say a load that is travelling 1400fps and a load travelling at 1500 fps isn't a lot in real terms.

 

Well, roughly speaking it is a difference of 1 in 15 so it will make no practical difference at all to the lead required.

 

Because energy is related to the velocity squared, it will make a bit more difference to the muzzle energy (approx 15%).

 

My post certainly wasn't meant to imply that a faster cartridge is better. Just a list of available data for anyone who is interested.

[b682]

Do not the BASC recommend #6 shot now if the anti shooting or animal protection groups found out shooters were using 9s or 8s etc would they not call us all cruel !!!!

 

Use the recommended cartridge and protect your shooting for the future - or save money and buy clay cartridges because saving money must be the reason behind not using #6 shot.

[pegleg31]

Do not the BASC recommend #6 shot now if the anti shooting or animal protection groups found out shooters were using 9s or 8s etc would they not call us all cruel !!!!

 

Use the recommended cartridge and protect your shooting for the future - or save money and buy clay cartridges because saving money must be the reason behind not using #6 shot.

 

 

money has nothing to do with it,i shoot hull soveriegnfitasc cartridges.i'm sure i could buy a game/pigeon cartridge for less.i use them because i feel confident in them and you'll be surprised how well they perform