robc89 Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 (edited) I vaguely remember watching a gundog demonstration where the handler was sat in a hide with his dog and every time he fired his gun in to the air feathers came out. Now am I being thick or do blank cartridges for this type of thing exist or had he maybe loaded his own cartridges for his display? I think some blanks would help me with aspects of my dogs training. Cheers Rob Edited October 24, 2010 by robc89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Strange as it may seem these were on sale at the Trafalgar at Bisley when I was there yesteday, I think it was the first tent at the side of the Pavillion, 12g size! To be honest it was the first time I had seen them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 The ones Eley made were called 'Saluting blanks' and were blackpowder. Usually, now, a mere primer is used for training dogs. They make a fair crack! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robc89 Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 I think iv found some blank 12g carts but no mention of ones containing feathers do you remember who was selling them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 Probably not feathers! The muzzleloaders and the BASC demo team use toilet roll as wadding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimmie Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 I vaguely remember watching a gundog demonstration where the handler was sat in a hide with his dog and every time he fired his gun in to the air feathers came out. Now am I being thick or do blank cartridges for this type of thing exist or had he maybe loaded his own cartridges for his display? I think some blanks would help me with aspects of my dogs training. Cheers Rob you can get them henry kranks does them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrymallard Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 was the demonstartion Chris Greens wildfowling or pigeon decoying demonstration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 they used to sell a 12 bore adaptor. like a steel cartridge drilled to take .32 blanks. They were described as being for gundog training or theatrical use. Later they sold the same in .22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 they used to sell a 12 bore adaptor. like a steel cartridge drilled to take .32 blanks. They were described as being for gundog training or theatrical use. Later they sold the same in .22. I think these adaptors were made by Accles and Shelvoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted October 24, 2010 Report Share Posted October 24, 2010 I have used blank 12 bore cartridges that threw out a lot of "confetti" (wadding and the like), but not feathers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 I have used blank 12 bore cartridges that threw out a lot of "confetti" (wadding and the like), but not feathers. True; de-laminated card and fibre would look a bit like small feathers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robc89 Posted October 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 It was at the CLA game fair 3 years ago, Think it was blenheim? Confetti seems a possibility but it definatly looked like feathers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 Hi, Mine from Bushwear have just arrived together with the associated "gun" so some thieving ******* is in for a surprise! Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 was the demonstartion Chris Greens wildfowling or pigeon decoying demonstration? I saw Chris Green fire off a blank packed with feathers at a game fair a couple of years ago. He would have loaded them himself to achieve this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 my father has some 12g blanks that are used to start one of his tractors when it's cold, haven't fired any tho, he wo n't let me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted October 25, 2010 Report Share Posted October 25, 2010 (edited) my father has some 12g blanks that are used to start one of his tractors when it's cold, haven't fired any tho, he wo n't let me YOU ARE JOKING? They are special cartridges for starting diesel engines in the cold, or aircraft engines! Marshall Tractors need them so do Chipmunk aircraft with a Coffman cartridge starter. Remember the film 'Flight of the Phoenix'? They are not blanks! They should have a metal cap on the end to protect the exposed cordite pellet. Each one contains a small amount of blackpowder 'quickmatch' next to the flash-hole of the primer, then several small pellets of cordite and then a large cylinder of cordite. All in all about 15 grams of nitro! (A standard 12 gauge shell has about 1.3 grams of nitro!) They will not go 'bang!' They could melt your gun barrel! Edited October 25, 2010 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 YOU ARE JOKING? They are special cartridges for starting diesel engines in the cold, or aircraft engines! Marshall Tractors need them so do Chipmunk aircraft with a Coffman cartridge starter. Remember the film 'Flight of the Phoenix'? They are not blanks! They should have a metal cap on the end to protect the exposed cordite pellet. Each one contains a small amount of blackpowder 'quickmatch' next to the flash-hole of the primer, then several small pellets of cordite and then a large cylinder of cordite. All in all about 15 grams of nitro! (A standard 12 gauge shell has about 1.3 grams of nitro!) They will not go 'bang!' They could melt your gun barrel! Thank **** someone replyed to this post ( well done FC ) I was talking to someone in the trade about engine starters only last week, and how the paper case would act as a glow plug. Shotgun Cartridges for shotguns! Engine starters for engines! Paladin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Kranks sell 12bore blanks for their alarm guns. Very expensive though. £5.65 a pack of 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Galore! Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 YOU ARE JOKING? They are special cartridges for starting diesel engines in the cold, or aircraft engines! Marshall Tractors need them so do Chipmunk aircraft with a Coffman cartridge starter. Remember the film 'Flight of the Phoenix'? They are not blanks! They should have a metal cap on the end to protect the exposed cordite pellet. Each one contains a small amount of blackpowder 'quickmatch' next to the flash-hole of the primer, then several small pellets of cordite and then a large cylinder of cordite. All in all about 15 grams of nitro! (A standard 12 gauge shell has about 1.3 grams of nitro!) They will not go 'bang!' They could melt your gun barrel! Glad i didn't put any through my new gun then, Phew! he's got an old series 3 field marshall, the first tractor he ever bought and restored, piston as big as your head, 2 stroke diesel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 Kranks sell 12bore blanks for their alarm guns. Very expensive though. £5.65 a pack of 12 I can do them for two quid for ten! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 YOU ARE JOKING? They are special cartridges for starting diesel engines in the cold, or aircraft engines! Marshall Tractors need them so do Chipmunk aircraft with a Coffman cartridge starter. Remember the film 'Flight of the Phoenix'? They are not blanks! They should have a metal cap on the end to protect the exposed cordite pellet. Each one contains a small amount of blackpowder 'quickmatch' next to the flash-hole of the primer, then several small pellets of cordite and then a large cylinder of cordite. All in all about 15 grams of nitro! (A standard 12 gauge shell has about 1.3 grams of nitro!) They will not go 'bang!' They could melt your gun barrel! I remember as a lad Chipmunk aircraft used them - but from what I can remember they were bigger than 12g & brass cases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted October 27, 2010 Report Share Posted October 27, 2010 As a lad, your hands were smaller! I have one here, loaded by Eley with a 1970s SUREPRIME battry-cup primer. 12gauge, red paper case with an aluminium cap over the rolled turnover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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