kdubya Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Real men do not drive bmw, they smirk at the boys who do :good: the only people who smirk are the ones with the bm's those without grimace and have green eyes simple as. lot of reverse snobbery in this thread KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ST3V3 Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I've never seen the attraction of BMW or Mercedes- why do they both persist with this RWD is best rubbish? having the engine weight over the driven wheels gives you far better grip - the rear end swinging out is not Sporty, its faulty!( ) They are both trading on an out of date reputation selling car where everything is an extra! oh well their loss! If you want reliability buy Jap! All for oversteer miles better than understeer main problem I found with the 325d I had the stupid traction control always worked even when turned off and the way it kicked in was to violent so it went and wasnt missed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Ok so lets be sensible, most manufactures make reasonable cars that will get you from A to B but if someone put a BMW and a Ford in front of you and said take one of them, who would choose the Ford?? Simples That's the point I was making about brand Doc. But I venture if you were able to do a "blind" test between something like a top of the range Mondeo and a comparable (C/D class BMW) with say 100 different drivers actually driving both cars without knowing which was which and then at the end asked which they preferred it would be a pretty close thing (the BMW would not lose by too many votes). I jest not! PS - You can only really comment if you have driven both (I have ). PPS - Also, without wishing to offend anyone, and it has nothing to do with ethnicity, but there is a growing stigma associated with BMW drivers, at least in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdubya Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 That's the point I was making about brand Doc. But I venture if you were able to do a "blind" test between something like a top of the range Mondeo and a comparable (C/D class BMW) with say 100 different drivers actually driving both cars without knowing which was which and then at the end asked which they preferred it would be a pretty close thing (the BMW would not lose by too many votes). I jest not! PS - You can only really comment if you have driven both (I have ). PPS - Also, without wishing to offend anyone, and it has nothing to do with ethnicity, but there is a growing stigma associated with BMW drivers, at least in this country. I have had the use of a brand new diesel mondeo (november just before the snow) used it to go to dungeness a few times and then up to largs, so I did a fair few miles in it, now it was nice car, after it tried to kill me at the first high speed bend I threw it into (wish someone had told me it was front wheel drive) and it was amazing on fuel was getting 50 plus mpg,and in truth was quicker than I imagined, and did everything I wanted, but it still seemed tacky and plasticky. my bm is sweet and far quieter in comparisson. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixer1 Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) I'm sorry but having driven pretty much most of the cars on offer in the class I was looking at such as the A4, Octavia, mondeo, c and e class, vectra, passat and golf there is no way the bm would loose on a blind test! And the critic ratings/ owner reviews show this! BMW have thier faults but it cannot be taken away that they build some of the best drivers cars and some stonking engines!!! And the traction control can be turned right off, push the DSC button and hold it down for about 5 secs.... As KW said some of these opinions are a bit reverse snobbery! If you like your ford mundane-o then good on you, I'll stick to my BM! And another point on that I crash tested one of my bm's inthe way of a Subaru imprezza hitting me while I was pretty much stationary in the back end at 50+ mph and from looking at the Subaru in comparison to the BM - I'll stick to ze Germans dankashune! Gixer Edited January 7, 2011 by gixer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfa taf Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I dont think anything else needs to be said, you have shown your knowledge in cars quite well, stick to the 2 CV mate it sounds about your style. :lol: What,s wrong with a 2 CV.?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 OK - not reverse snobbery on my part but I do admit I'm an incy weeny bit biased Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weejase Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 This poor sod could have done with some chains http://www.break.com/index/female-driver-gets-car-unstuck-1971550 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodcock11 Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 What a load of opiniated posts! BMWs are just fine - I don't own one now - used to have a 318tdi estate and it went everywhere. Have had umpteen Discoveries - good vehicle let down by poor dealership and reliability problems - currently have a new Defender with canvas back - brilliant and an Audi Q7. We have had truly dreadful weather in Northern Ireland this winter - mega amounts of snow and down to minus 18C. The Q7 has been through it all and has behaved brilliantly and - above all - felt safe & competent. Drive what you like - you may think your own car is the best but others will disagree - nowt wrong with a Munchen built BMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4eyes Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 "I've never seen the attraction of BMW or Mercedes- why do they both persist with this RWD is best rubbish? having the engine weight over the driven wheels gives you far better grip - the rear end swinging out is not Sporty, its faulty!" Ha ha, makes me laugh. One of BM's selling points is around weight distibution. Something that has a massive influence on the handling of a car. Think about racing cars and how they try hard to balance the weight to make the car handle as well as possible. Having a great weight at the front and nowt in the back (you know, like a van or a mondeo) makes the car haddle like an oil tanker. Furthermore, "rear wheel drive is best rubbish?" - Lets have a think about supercars. If rear wheel drive was not 'best' then why are they, in the majority, rear wheel drive. If their not RWD then their 4*4. I'm stuggling to think of one that has FWD. The only reason FWD came about was cost - Mini I believe were the first. I'm not saying that BM are supercars, just arguing the set-up. For me, I enjoy and much prefer it. I feel part of the car in spirited driving and it does what I want it to. Unlike a FWD barge. Just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conygree Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 This poor sod could have done with some chains http://www.break.com/index/female-driver-gets-car-unstuck-1971550 I bet she could use some chains on the lazy slob who didn't help her - bet he spent xmas night with a 'marigold'. Take a look on 'brindley chains' I have no interest in the company, but I have been using their chains for 10 yrs even on the back of my L200 over M/T's. Solves that little problem of driving down steep hills on ice, and good in mud too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 My ex had a 330d. Not a bad car really for a diesel, but BMW's just don't do it for me, don't know why, they just don't. They don't excite me. :o It's interesting to see that FWD Vauxhall Vectras have won 8 out of the last 10 BTC championships, so maybe RWD isn't all it's cracked up to be? Seems like Vectra's are the car to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tam Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) my bm HAS been parked up due to the weather we have had a LOT of snow and for a long time,in fact its snowing now (not laying mind) snow, big fat tyres, rear wheel drive and a bit more power than a hair drier does not go well! so the old 4x4 has been put to good use,but I needed to belt up to glasgow last tuesday so out comes the bm, been stood for weeks, 1st turn of the key and away she goes, 400 mile round trip in 7 hours, (cost me 65 quid petrol mind) BUT after using my 4x4 for so long I thought I had gone deaf, kept looking at the rev counter when at junctions? as it was the only way I could tell if it was still running try that with your average ford bang along reps car. KW LOL, LOL :lol: you think you have had some snow & parked up (I assume, your wifes BMW ) only two words Audi Quattro Both our vehicles have never missed a beat in "the perfect snow storm" This post is in jest & not meant to dismiss BMW's but it is fact If you need confirmation of snow depths up here PM me your email addy! Edited January 7, 2011 by Tam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 My ex had a 330d. Not a bad car really for a diesel, but BMW's just don't do it for me, don't know why, they just don't. They don't excite me. :o It's interesting to see that FWD Vauxhall Vectras have won 8 out of the last 10 BTC championships, so maybe RWD isn't all it's cracked up to be? Seems like Vectra's are the car to have. And one of the other 2 was won by a diesel.... shaun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny12w Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Well thought i would venture my two pennies worth here seeing as everyone else is jumping in when they dont even own one! I've had a few cars generally at the lower end of the market (Fords, Peugeots etc) and when my wife became pregnant we were on the lookout for something that would take a child seat, had good safety records, carry pram & shopping & also seem small enough because the wife doesnt like a big car (strange i know!) After test driving a few cars, including i must say a couple of fords, we test drove a BMW 120D. The car was an absolute revelation and I would now not go back to anything else. The car performed well in the snow and ice as long as the driver is aware its RWD and drive accordingly. Any idiot can spin a rear wheel drive car even when the roads are slightly wet! I do have to say that before I bought the BMW I would probably have agreed with everyones negative views about the brand but I can easily say with hindsight it is nothing but the green headed monster!! (Tongue in cheek comment there!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albertan_J Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 This is a funny thread what I've been trying to work out is how the rest of the world including snow covered Germany manage to fly down the Autobahn in their pathetic slow horrible rear wheel drive bmws which are blatantly no where near as good as a front wheel drive Citroen . Saying BMW's are poor in the snow is a total load of garbage! The amount of idiotic 4WD owners I have seen this winter not knowing they have to put their truck into 4WD outnumbers the amount of beemers I've seen stuck cars are only as good as their drivers I've been lucky to have a go of quite a few and while I wouldn't own one (prefer audi's) to say they are on par with ford mondeos is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I've never seen the attraction of BMW or Mercedes- why do they both persist with this RWD is best rubbish? having the engine weight over the driven wheels gives you far better grip - the rear end swinging out is not Sporty, its faulty!( ) They are both trading on an out of date reputation selling car where everything is an extra! oh well their loss! If you want reliability buy Jap! Simples, put the right tyres on for the conditions. In winter get winter tyres! In 4 years of ownership only one problem out of warranty, I paid for the labour, BMW paid for the part. Servicing costs are the lowest of any car I've owned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 you must admit quite a few are driven by proper self abusers though like...the majority! Get a Jag ! They are way better and have a civilising effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12borejimbo Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 What a load of rubbish this thread is! Its a car, who gives a damn! just for the record I have a 120i, and yep, you guessed it, im an estate agent, and yes, I wear pointy shoes! hahaha) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 So, I posted my opinions on BMW's and BMW drivers earlier, left work for home and was duly passed on the outside of the roundabout and slip road onto the A12 by a BMW, the driver of whom cranked his head round at me, presumably for daring to move out a bit, as he passed. QED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I've never seen the attraction of BMW or Mercedes- why do they both persist with this RWD is best rubbish? having the engine weight over the driven wheels gives you far better grip No it doesn't, it completely loads the front wheels when the back wheels are doing very little. In a front wheel drive car the front wheels are steering, cornering and applying power or braking, the back wheels are just cornering. There's also more weight through them as _all_ the transmission mass is at this end. The point at which the tyre becomes overloaded and starts to slip will be much sooner with front wheel drive. Best cornering (lateral Gs) is achieved when the loads are split as evenly as possible over the four tyres. Read "Handling and Roadholding" by Jeffry Daniels for a good explanation of what's going on. BMW drivers are still ******** though. :-) Nial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Ok so lets be sensible, most manufactures make reasonable cars that will get you from A to B but if someone put a BMW and a Ford in front of you and said take one of them, who would choose the Ford?? I'd have a long hard think, the Mondeo is more exclusive than the (common as muck) 3 series and is reputed to drive really well. I'd have to drive them both to decide though. Nial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laird Lugton Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I'd have a long hard think, the Mondeo is more exclusive than the (common as muck) 3 series and is reputed to drive really well. I'd have to drive them both to decide though. Nial. I guess you could say it is "exclusive" as the three series outsells the Mundane in the UK market. So yes it is exclusive, just not in a good way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I was dealing with an accident in falling snow yesterday and there was carnage around me! All these rear wheel drive German cars crabbing sideways at the merest hint of a slope, front wheel drive cars with wide low profile tyres getting nowhere, HGVs sliding sideways and blocking the road. It was the longest two hours of my life. Ambulance took the same two hours to get the casualty five miles to hospital and then to top it all my 60 plate Focus with traction control was absolutely hopeless in the snow. It was embarrasing! My next car is going to be 4WD no question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellokittyfreak Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I have a BMW 1 series; and its been a ****** to drive in the snow/black ice :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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