6.5shooter Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Hi Everyone. Well, I would like to hear peoples opinions and views of this little cart. I have had two rifles in this calibre and the accuray hAs not pleased me and has been very inconsistent. One group would be an inch then the next inch and a half with maybe two flyers spoiling it. Before I get hammered picking on this problem by people saying that this accuracy is plenty good for the job intended. Yes maybe but im a fussy *** and like to know exactly where my shots will land. Then theres the cleaning Issue! Do you clean frequently or not at all??? I found no real difference as both ways never really worked for me and im a clean freak anyway so It had to be cleaned after use. So..... What does everyone else find? Have any of you folk got custom HMR builds or custom barrels fitted?? If so has this problem dissapeared or improved consistency atall?? I have scince sold my HMR and moved back to the humble 22lr as I find it very consistent accuracy wise and more versatile but I would still have use for a 17 if I ould find a cure for its inconsistency. Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I have to say I don't clean mine till it goes off, usually about 200 shots. Then it takes at least 10 to get it back without any issues. Obviously yours could be cleaning related, could be ammo. What guns did you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavman Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I clean my mod every 500 or so and find if zero starts to drift its perhaps as the mod is getting full of black krap cause once cleand we are back again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I had trouble with acuracy too, but TBH it was my shooting to a degree, and using the 'wrong' scope and also using a bipod on a synthetic stock and leaning on it too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorfolkPoacher Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) I clean my mod every 500 or so and find if zero starts to drift its perhaps as the mod is getting full of black krap cause once cleand we are back again hello mate, what method do you use to clean your hmr mod? mine doesnt come apart (easily) and im known to replace it rather then clean it. i do worry that if at some point the fouling will affect accuracy. which back to op i find 8 out 10 shots i get well within a 2p at 100m and a couple flyers. 90% of my bunnies over 70yards and all head shots. cheers Dave Edited March 2, 2011 by NorfolkPoacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie g Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 its a rim fire at end of the day. and we all know factory ammo can be iffy at times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 my 17hmr has had 350 shots in it and has had no prob at all will clean it now tho . at 100yds i get 1 inch group. try different ammo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5shooter Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) I have come to to conclusion that i am expecting too much from it than its capable of. I have given up on it as my 223 does all its work now and my reloads arent much different in ammo price for the little ******. In my opinion in someways its a pointless cartridge as it wont do an awful lot more than 22 lr as it lacks consistent accuracy and a moderated 22 using subs is the dogs out to 100 yards or a bit more. Its noisy, so if youre guna have noise you may aswell move up to 204 or 223 anyway cus theyre just as cheap to shoot and a hell of alot more accurate and more versatile. But... Thats just my opinion and im sure others will disagree with me but thats what I have found. If it was more consistently accurate maybe my opinion would be a little different but Im willing to hear from anyone with a consistently accurate one that will print small groups. The guns I shot were both Sako Quads. Anyone have any custom built HMR's? Garry Edited March 2, 2011 by 6.5shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Always got told when to clean mine... The unburnt powder in the sound mod would violently set on fire after about 400-500 shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 haha gives it that little more zip lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 a moderated 22 using subs is the dogs out to 100 yards or a bit more. at that point its not worth you having an HMR, I have one as its effectively flat from 20-125 yards not so much of an issue in the daylight but under the lamp its point and shoot. If your LR gives you better accuracy with 100 yard shots then the HMR is useless for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I have never cleaned mine since I have had it, I must have fired several thousand rounds through it and it is not ammo fussy either. If I do my bit then you can easily group at less than an inch at 100 yards. I use Remington accutip rounds as that is what my local shop stocks. Although I have used just about every other type as they come up on offer. I am guessing that if you are not happy with the accuracy of a .17 then the nut behind the stock needs tightening. I don't think I have ever seen a bad one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 then the nut behind the stock needs tightening. Love it. I'm using that in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh warrior Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Love it. I'm using that in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) My synthetic Quad .17HMR 15" barrel groups at about three out of five in 0.5" with two flyers on average at about an 1.5" without trying too hard, making an average of under an inch. I'd say check the crown and sound mod if you ever get another with poor performance like that. Does sound wather shtwange though to be honest. EDIT: To be fair the 17HMR rounds are mass produced in their millions for hundreds of thousands of happy users - but could not possibly be expected to shoot as tight a group as a C/F like my 17REM with home loads for example. Edited March 2, 2011 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Cant believe what I'm hearing, pointless round, not much better than a .22lr. A few months everyone on here was raving about same hole groups at 1000yds. Think tightening the nut behind the gun is the main point here. Excellent round but has limitations, it will break your patience one day then make you smile the next,nice tight groups takes more than an accurate gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6.5shooter Posted March 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Maybe id best explain myself better from what I meant by being better out to 100 yards. I know the HMR is flat and all that but I get better consistency at 100 yards from my annie 1710 dhb with custom stock than I did with my quad. Yes one has to know his trajectory and have a range finder also but I do all that so thats my reasoning. The nut behind the butt needs no tightening my friend! I shoot many fullbore comps and am fairly competitive so as much as you would like to blame me it aint. Maybe Iv just had two bad quads!? Who knows. If I where to choose between the 22 and hmr id choose LR two fold. Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_Lad Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Maybe id best explain myself better from what I meant by being better out to 100 yards. I know the HMR is flat and all that but I get better consistency at 100 yards from my annie 1710 dhb with custom stock than I did with my quad. Yes one has to know his trajectory and have a range finder also but I do all that so thats my reasoning. The nut behind the butt needs no tightening my friend! I shoot many fullbore comps and am fairly competitive so as much as you would like to blame me it aint. Maybe Iv just had two bad quads!? Who knows. If I where to choose between the 22 and hmr id choose LR two fold. Garry come down a notch and try a CZ, I was getting 11/2" at 180 yds last summer in still air just for fun. Time and again it does all you can ask from it. atvb Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin lad Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 i have a cz and i found adding trigger kit helped my grouping a lot colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 (edited) This whole thing goes round and round and everyone has an opinion. The HMR is VERY accurate but it is also susceptible to gusts, heat eddies etc. Cleaning questions will never bring you an answer as again there are so many opinions. I clean mine every use (unless, for example, I have been out and shot it once or twice and I'm using it tomorrow). Mine does not take any shots to get it back sweet. From new, mine was ammo fussy, but several 1000 rounds down the road it is pretty consistent with them all, including to 20g. This is what it can do, and I suspect if the nut behind the stock was tightened it could do better! Edited March 2, 2011 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I suppose if you can judge range to the nearest yard and memorize the trajectory chart, can hold the rifle perfectly vertical, and guess when the rabbit is going to stay perfectly still then 22LR with Subs might do for you. Personally, I find HMR a lot easier to take daylight rabbits with. It just works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shropshire_Lad Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I suppose if you can judge range to the nearest yard and memorize the trajectory chart, can hold the rifle perfectly vertical, and guess when the rabbit is going to stay perfectly still then 22LR with Subs might do for you. Personally, I find HMR a lot easier to take daylight rabbits with. It just works. and after many years of trying all sorts this just about sums it up. atvb Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat g Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Hi Garry, I think your views of the Hmr have been tainted somewhat and thats understandable TBH. Having two identical rifles and having the same problem with both is bound to sap your confidence in the round itself. However IMO the 17 hmr and the 22lr are two different tools completely to my mind and they each have a place in the "tool Bag" so to speak. Out to 100yds where the 22lr starts to get decidedly "loopy" the 17hmr is my tool of choice simply because of its flat trajectory and having the ability to place the round where you want it. I do tend to clean mine after about every 20-30 rounds. When i say clean i mean just putting the bore snake through it a couple of times in the field and i've had no problems. My CZ groups under 1 inch at 100yds quite easily off the bi-pod. Having said that my 22lr is great to shoot, sweet as a nut and quiet. Having shot for nearly 30years now i found that i have "got on" with some rifles and calibres and others i have simply disliked. You refer to your 223 as being your prefered choice but i much prefer 22/250 over 223 but like i say its just what i have prefered although i dont own a 22/250 at present. You have had the same problems with two Sako Quads so its possible there could have been been something untoward with them but going by Sako's quality i would tend to doubt that. Having said that i own a Sako P94s Finnfire and a few people have since told me that they a re a more superior rifle to the Quad in 22lr format. Whether theres any truth in this i don't know. Sorry to hear that you didn't get on with what i and many other shooters think is a great calibre for what it was designed for ATB Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redgum Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I suppose if you can judge range to the nearest yard and memorize the trajectory chart, can hold the rifle perfectly vertical, and guess when the rabbit is going to stay perfectly still then 22LR with Subs might do for you. Personally, I find HMR a lot easier to take daylight rabbits with. It just works. And at night when its almost impossible to judge range accuratly enough for a .22lr, rabbits don't just come in one size . I have had times when I could have thrown my CZ16inch varmint in the bin but its out with me more than the .22lr these days, its acounted for the best night bags and best rabbits dead on the ground from one position. I still like my .22lr and it has its place,just its more limited than the hmr and the main advantage it has is noise. It the nut behind the butt doesnt need tightening then maybe he should find the nut that needs tightening ie touching barrel,trigger,optics etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 10 out of 10 rabbits that I asked said that they would have prefered not to have been shot by my 17HMR. (In spirit language of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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