truckboy1 Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 Hi Folks, I am looking for a new Air rifle and would like a PCP i require it for clearing up some crows and jackdawes around some stables and need to remove some ferrals from some of the dairy farms i have permission on. I have cabinet full of rifles and shotguns but i know nothing about PCP's and need some quidence, I want to keep the total expenditure less than £1000.00 and will need the complete kit (rifle, scope, and possibly gas bottle)any advice will be greatly recieved. :unsure: also what caliber would be best as i like to kill the targeted prey!!! :unsure: Look forward to your quidence!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 1 word. THEOBEN mk2 in 177/20 cal. pick up a second hand scope of here or bbs. all you need is a bottle. i now have 3 of them and love them. i am a keen air rifle shooter and tried other types. get out there and feel a few.each to what suits them and all that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxiDriver Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 (edited) A very emotive subject as everyone has their own preferences often based on what they themselves own. Air Arms 410 seem to be popular, BSAs' R10 seems to be popular too, as do Daystate (Although much dearer) Some people will be fans of .177 other swear by .22, Have heard it said or have read that on some quarry at some ranges .177 can have a tendency to go through the quarry thereby risking damage to anything behind the target ie ferals in roof spaces. .22 packs a bit more wallop and can be used with heavier pellets to good effect. You also get more shots per fill with a .22 than a .177 although I don't understand this meself. Edited April 23, 2011 by TaxiDriver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad1 Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 mark 1 theoben rapid 7 you wont regret it . . . Massive shot count . Tough as old boots and accuracy is a tack driver . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsg Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 Theoben are a good choice. Nowadays most mainline PCPs are good enough for the job and your budget is big enough. I would go for HW100 (others may disagree) as for the calibre either is as accurate. If the pellet penetrates or overpenetrates the brain it is sure death. It is a good practice to go for headshot and give your quarry a chance. If you want to go for body shots then you may go .22 route. I prefer .177 because you can always put a heavy weight pellet in and get close to .20 hitting power (if there is such thing). I don't want to open yet another .177 vs .22 debate here but I do a bit of Hunter Field Target and the calibre of choice is .177 and all shooting .22 will come (average) with lower scores because the range is not very easy to guess and .22 trajectory is quite loopy by comparison. Although at the moment you may use it only around the barn you never know what future permissions bring along, you may even pick up HFT ATB TSG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev 1 Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 My brother in law is selling his BSA ULTRA .22, multishot(10 shots), These guns are very good and reliable,and with the right pellet is an excellent tool for killing all sorts of vermin. It is very short and ideal for use in vehicles,and in and around barnes, it is for sale through my account but his mobile no is on there so feel free to ring him and haggle if need be.. gun,bottle,scope,bag full set up £440.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 A very emotive subject as everyone has their own preferences often based on what they themselves own. Air Arms 410 seem to be popular, BSAs' R10 seems to be popular too, as do Daystate (Although much dearer) Some people will be fans of .177 other swear by .22, Have heard it said or have read that on some quarry at some ranges .177 can have a tendency to go through the quarry thereby risking damage to anything behind the target ie ferals in roof spaces. .22 packs a bit more wallop and can be used with heavier pellets to good effect. You also get more shots per fill with a .22 than a .177 although I don't understand this meself. I would get a .177 as it WILL shoot straighter for a longer range,you will need 22ftlbs in 22 to compare to that of the 12ftlb .177,according to 'chair'. As said,AIR ARMS,S200/410/510 are all good,though the bolt is stiff to pull back.Rapids are good as are hw100.A 300 bar bottle and a 56x scope on top will have you sorted. aa s410 .177 aa mod,dont get carried away by the hype,any mod will do as the quarry will hear the shot. 56x scope,look on e-bay for cheap glass,plenty good enough for air rifle Dome head pellets,diablo/rws/bisley,what ever YOUR rifle prefers as the are all different. Bi-pod,never had a use for one as all my shooting is at quarry and not laying prone at targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem223 Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 Lots of choices out there. PCP is a bit expensive initially, but they are so much easier to shoot accurately than a spring gun that there is no comparison as far as I'm concerned. You also get more shots per fill with a .22 than a .177 although I don't understand this meself. For the same reason that .177 penetrates better than .22 Force is pressure divided by area. So to get the same "Force" ie muzzle energy from a .177 as a .22 you need more pressure. Therefore the reservoir runs out more quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truckboy1 Posted April 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 evening folks, Thanks for all your replys i am quite interested in the BSA that Kev1 spoke about above does anybody have any views on that rifle and does it seem like good value, Sorry to ask but as i mentioned above i am a little naive about these!! Also I was talking to a friend of mine today who suggested i should get a PCP on my FAC does anybody know how easy this would be as i already have 3 rifles on FAC. Thanks again Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev 1 Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 I have one of these ultras myself.but mine is a single shot,so the multi is better,i am well pleased with mine and dont think i would ever part with it... I dont think you would regret it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Duncan Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 mark 1 theoben rapid 7 you wont regret it . . . Massive shot count ... ...and leak like sieves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsg Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 I have an ultra multishot. Originaly a .22 but I changed the barrel to .177(HW100 barrel). They are great but the shot count is about 30 (and you should get a regulator fitted to it for best results). IMHO HW100 is a good choice given quality, shot count and Magazine size. Also they are built so you can't double load pellets. As for the scope get an all rounder 40-42mm objective. You can't go wrong with Hawke Panorama 4-12x40 and get the lowest mounts possible (Nikko Stirling platinum mounts). http://www.deben.com/rifle-scopes/hawke-panorama.html Hope it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lineshooter Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 I have both multi and single shot Ultra`s in .177 and with the right pellet they are extremely accurate, the good thing is their compactness which is ideal when shooting in confined spaces. You will get around 30 shots before you need to top up which is three mags worth, some people have had regulators fitted which smooth the power curve and increase the shot count, personally I would`nt spend the £100 or so on a reg I`d put it towards some extra kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_commoner Posted April 24, 2011 Report Share Posted April 24, 2011 ultras are great little rifles, i sold mine and wish i hadnit, not a very big shot count but i dont know that many airgunners that go out hunting and take more than 30 shots ! 9plus it makes it easier to fill with a stirrup pump) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshotkiller Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 Bsa super 10 mk 3 Excellent rifles , big shot count , cheap as chips s/h leaving you plenty of money for a good scope ( ags swat range ) , diving bottle from a diving shop and there you go ready to go The super 10 is far more reliable than the rapid and never got the recognition they deserve !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albion Posted April 26, 2011 Report Share Posted April 26, 2011 HW100 karbine Accurate, reliable, solidly built, simple to use, high shot count, easy to refill, 14 shot magazines. Failing that, I'd go for a S410 which is also a pleasure to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger955i Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 HI Mate. I have an HW100 in .22. As stated above very well made and blisteringly accurate with a fantastic trigger and the 14 shot magazines are some of the best I have used. I also have an AA S410 which I also can not fault in any way and is also a lot lighter than the HW100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadioles Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 As far as air rifles go I only own a Rapid .177 but I have used a few other pcp types (including Air Arms 410) and was not too impressed by them. My conclusion was that it is better to have one that is regulated rather than one that is not, can be expensive though. The Rapid, which is regulated, shoots accurately and identically from a full fill to the point where it is nearly empty. The other, non regulated, air rifles all had a "sweet spot" and the trajectory (ftlbs) of the pellet varies according to the fill. I cannot remember the figures but if filled to high pressure they would shoot low, as the pressure reduced towards the "sweet spot" they would shoot higher and with more power and as the pressure reduced further the pellet would drop once more. It was easy to overfill, too much pressure, from a diving cylinder. You would think that more pressure = more power but it does not, maximum power is reached at some mid-point. You need a chrony to find that sweet spot for yourself. With a regulator that just does not happen and you get a couple of hundred shots from a single fill using a Rapid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Get an Air Arms S410 in .177 calibre.An exceptional Air-rifle with a nice flat trajectory in the .177 calibre.There are plenty of good scopes on the Market at affordable prices too.In your budget you should be quite able to get a good set-up with Charging Bottle also. Any more questions just drop us a line. ATB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Quite a few people are mentioning the Theoben Rapid.Agree too that the Rapid is also an excellent Air-rifle but if you purchase a Rapid and a quality scope with charging bottle then you may be going a little over your budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratsmasher Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 I could recommend a AA s410 carbine classic in .177 cracking little rifle, well balanced, accurate I use RWS super H point good pellets good expansion end up looking like a mushroom. I picked mine up for £525 but that was a very good deal. get an air arms moderator andI cant fault the hawke nite eye 3-9x50 IR Rifle = £525 Scope = £90 Mod = £40 3ltr dive bottle = £145 Total = £800 Cracking hunting setup will last for ages and should do the trick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truckboy1 Posted April 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Evening All, Thank you very much for all your replies, I am hoping to get out this weekend and visit some gunshops to see whats what! Where is the best place to get a dive bottle too? do i need to visit a diving shop or do gunshops stock these? I'll keep you informed Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickineye Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Hi...I'm a newbie here and looked with great interest at this topic. Here's a link: http://www.freeads.co.uk/uk/leisure/sports/hunting_and_sporting_equipment/10094221/bsa-superten-mk1-pcp-air-rifle/view These are now 'older-end' but still popular, very accurate, and reliable. Spares are no problem either. I've had one for years and it is, quite frankly, an unbreakable love affair. If I'm 'on target' then I don't miss and get a very high percentage of one shot kills. In my view something like this would be a great way to start with very good residual value to eventually trade-in with if you want new later on. Good luck with your search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Evening All, Thank you very much for all your replies, I am hoping to get out this weekend and visit some gunshops to see whats what! Where is the best place to get a dive bottle too? do i need to visit a diving shop or do gunshops stock these? I'll keep you informed Thanks again All good Gunshops will stock a variety of sizes of Charging Bottles.I use a 7Ltr 300 bar bottle. Keep us informed of how you get on. Anymore help just let us know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 (edited) Hi Folks, I am looking for a new Air rifle and would like a PCP i require it for clearing up some crows and jackdawes around some stables and need to remove some ferrals from some of the dairy farms i have permission on. I have cabinet full of rifles and shotguns but i know nothing about PCP's and need some quidence, I want to keep the total expenditure less than £1000.00 and will need the complete kit (rifle, scope, and possibly gas bottle)any advice will be greatly recieved. :unsure: also what caliber would be best as i like to kill the targeted prey!!! :unsure: Look forward to your quidence!!!! Like you,I know nothing about PCP air rifles,Until yesterday when I took the plunge and bought full kit, AAS400/SCOPE /BOTTLE ETC..from a PW member through Gun Watch.(nice one Brian). I am made up with it,but very very different from shooting springers,as I said I love it and it is a great looking gun but it took me by surprise when first shot it having neither seen nor shot one before. I can understand some shooters preferring the twang and kick of a springer. I think I may also keep my lightning for reminiscing. Am sure I will get used to it as it is a pleasure to shoot with. Horses for courses eh.. There are several full kits for sale on Gun watch all of which are £450-£600 depending on kit. Good luck.. Edited May 6, 2011 by Good shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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