Highlander Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 No not PC WORLD but Political Correctness! Apparently Hollywood is planing a remake of the Dam Busters Film featuring NOT '******' the dog but 'Digger' according to that gay **** Stephen Fry! All because they don't wish to offend! What utter B*******. The 'N-word' As an aside James Douglas used to have a BIG black lab bitch which he called Kuma a Swahili word which I'm not about to translate for you! :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Can't see what the problem is really. The word IS offensive, it's not big or clever to call a dog something offensive just so you can use the word. Changing the dog's name is almost entirely irrelevant as the dog is a very minor character in the film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlander Posted June 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 What's offencive to me is that we should have to alter historic facts to please the PC brigade! I doubt that Guy Gibson named the dog to be offensive and just used a common enough name for something black. I've heard working dogs called a whole lot worse out in the field! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 the dogs name is what it is , fact . but saying that , if hollywood is doing a remake it will be **** . it will be a b17 with a odd shaped ball as a bomb, a tail gunner who singlehandly shot down half the luftwaffe , the dams all blew to peices at the first bomb and they all got trained in the good old united states of americy . and to top it all barnes wallace couldnt figure it out so got on the blower tho his cousin in new york who told him how to do it ! hollywood , dont ya just love the movies . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 No not PC WORLD but Political Correctness! Apparently Hollywood is planing a remake of the Dam Busters Film featuring NOT '******' the dog but 'Digger' according to that gay **** Stephen Fry! All because they don't wish to offend! What utter B*******. The 'N-word' As an aside James Douglas used to have a BIG black lab bitch which he called Kuma a Swahili word which I'm not about to translate for you! :o Hey ,hey now then sir , Stephen Fry is a director of Norwich City football club . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 As much as I respect the squadron and what they did ( I'm even getting married at the hotel that they used as their officer's mess next year) I do believe that changing the name of the dog is fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del.gue Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 I heard about this remake last year. I think it will be a British film. Apparantly David Frost owns the rights to the story, so should keep the yanks out!! Heres hoping its a ggod film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSPUK Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 As much as I respect the squadron and what they did ( I'm even getting married at the hotel that they used as their officer's mess next year) I do believe that changing the name of the dog is fair. what a load of codswollop - I suppose you will say next the japanese didn't bomb pearl harbour. talk about changing history - it's bad enough the Yanks doing it but one of our own countrymen (if you are) jeysus! dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Hardly the same is it? the name of the mutt is a minor detail in the grand scheme of things but is hugely offensive. The bombing of pearl harbour is hugely offensive, but it's a major detail and doesn't warrant changing or ignoring. Your comparison is utterly **** to be honest. If I were making the film, I'd write the dog out all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deputy dog Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 What a load of bull **** i reckon. And i say a BIG UP YOURS to the PC PARTY who otherwise known as **** ***** a ******* life instead of sitting in front of your tv sets all day waiting with endless antisipation for some thing remotely offensive line, word or phrase be said. So you can get on your Bull **** high horses and start ringing in complaint after complaint or writing endless letters to broad casting cooperations bosses, trying to enforce your ******** pc views I'm not racist but i absolutly hate POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and all it tries to represent in todays modern society. I'll end my rant now because these idiots really get my back up. DD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 N******* is not "remotely offensive" though is it? It's up there with the C-bomb and sure as hell aint something I'd say in front of my mum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 James - totally agree. If the original name of the dog is kept or changed it will upset someone. Leave the dog out of the film. The film is about bombing the enemy, where a lot of people died - on both sides. Leaving a dog out of the film is trivial by comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 Don't get me wrong, political correctness ****** me off as much as the next person but ultimately I think there are times when it can be helped and times where it can't. We can't avoid christmas so it shouldn't be banned or reduced or scaled back or whatever, but what we can reduce is hugely offensive terms where really they are not required or make a major part of a story. I watched American History X last night - great film. Remove the racism from that, and there is no film. Remove the racism from Dam Busters and it makes absolutely no difference at all to the story, does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 N****** is not "remotely offensive" though is it? It's up there with the C-bomb and sure as hell aint something I'd say in front of my mum. If the word is so offensive why is it used in so many rap songs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silpig5 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 If the word is so offensive why is it used in so many rap songs? that is the 100 dollor question !!!!!!!!! its not ofensive if you are a brother in the hood . it was the call sign of a completed mission . simples . guy gibson and his team are history that im proud of . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 show me where the word is allowed to remain in mainstream media transmissions.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 I can see both sides of the argument. However, it wouldnt be the first time that historical fact has been changed to suit the sensibilities of the target audience or even the cast. Take Zulu for example. All that rubbish about the 2nd Bn of the 24th being a "Welsh Regiment". Utter balls. Although there were some Welsh soldiers in the Battalion The 24th was part of the Warwickshire Regiment at the time of the battle in 1879. It did eventually become a Welsh unit, but not until 1881. Why did this happen? Because it was the only way they could get Stanley Baker (a militant Welsh nationalist) to star in the production. All of the "Men of Harlech" stuff etc.. fabrication. It's the movies and they will play fast and loose with fact when it suits them. U-571 anybody? By the way, please remember to adhere to the house rules on swearing (ie blanking it out altogether) when posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J@mes Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 I can see both sides of the argument. As can I, I just think that in this case the removal of the word would make little to no difference to the story itself, which is bound to be wildly inaccurate anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 according to that gay **** Stephen Fry! Got to love the irony of it, it's remarks like that which allow PC to exist, can't really complain about a dogs name being changed when callng someone a gay **** at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 I couldn't give a **** what the dogs called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nial Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 The film is about bombing the enemy, where a lot of people died - on both sides. Leaving a dog out of the film is trivial by comparison. Alternatively. As the film is about a bombing raid where thousands of innocent civilians died, calling the dog its real name is trivial by comparison. ? Nial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 (edited) Alternatively... Leaving the word in, a word which now has an unsavoury meaning, might give the impression to a younger audience that Gibson was a racist moron. Edited June 10, 2011 by Catweazle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSPUK Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 "might give the impression to a younger audience that Gibson was a racist moron". Shouldn't this have read Might give the younger moron audience the impression that Gibson was racist dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 History about the Dam Busters has already been altered by the film makers-Gibson is portrayed as a man highly respected and indeed loved by his squadron-makes me wonder why there was an almighty cheer in the mess the night that his demise was reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 History about the Dam Busters has already been altered by the film makers-Gibson is portrayed as a man highly respected and indeed loved by his squadron-makes me wonder why there was an almighty cheer in the mess the night that his demise was reported. Very true. Whilst not taking away from the fact that he was undoubtedly an extremely skilled pilot and an astonishingly brave man, there can be no doubt (if you listen to interviews with people who served with him at 617 and other Squadrons) that he was a rather unpleasant person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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