CZ550Kevlar Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 I maybe wrong but the usual criteria for hunting/shooting is a long list as in justifying taking an animals life, can anyone think of ANY other reason other than he shot it just because he wanted the trophy?? I hope it makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhw100 Posted January 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 I maybe wrong but the usual criteria for hunting/shooting is a long list as in justifying taking an animals life, can anyone think of ANY other reason other than he shot it just because he wanted the trophy?? I hope it makes sense. your absolutley right...it is completley unjustifiable he done it for his own filthy pleasure god know how old that animal was and its life was snuffed out just so that *** can have a head on its wall how could you even justify it talking to people when they see it?: "lovely trophy i bet you had a wonderful stalk in the Highlands"^ "no i shot it in Essex less than 10 miles from Basildon dont you know" well done mate well done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shootnfish Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 i would like to go to scotland and go with a guide after one, but i doubt i could afford it , but i still wouldnt shoot one down here if i had the chance(hav'nt got a rile anyway) i would rather watch it than shoot it but not everyone is like it. hes bit of a ******. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Real shame, so sorry to hear about it. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRYAN3 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 I think aka Pip Jarvis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome of the Woods Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 No one owns the deer, and if he has permission to shot it I fail to see the problem, he has broken no laws. He may have been asked to take it by the land owner who knows? As for the great stalk of reds, a nice romantic idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Given the Reds in Suffolk there must be a good reason why the haven't drifted south in any number. Anyone know why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Given the Reds in Suffolk there must be a good reason why the haven't drifted south in any number. Anyone know why? Scared they'll get shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 its a real shame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 No ones saying it's not been legally taken, it just that there's so many other species of deer round here (and lots of them) that could have been taken. It is trophy hunting for the sake of it, but no laws have been broken so there we go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Scared they'll get shot? The get shot in Suffolk too. Probably more to do with the fact Essex is the most populated county in the UK. I guess the hind will need shooting now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Essex is the most populated county?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asa Bear Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Given the Reds in Suffolk there must be a good reason why the haven't drifted south in any number. Anyone know why? They can't pull the white socks on that are required for Essex residency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Essex is the most populated county?! Proper county not administative area - yes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_counties_by_population Although the answer varies from site to site. Either way it isn't as nice as Suffolk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyb Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 There are more reds in Essex than 2, that I am very certain of.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Happens all too often with deer that appear in isolation, escaped reds, wandering roe etc. 99 'hunters' may see them, enjoy looking at them and hope they become established, all it take is 'hunter' #100 to think, I'll have that, and bang its gone and no chance of a viable population becoming established. Reds are there most vulnerable, their hatracks often lead to a very limited life span unless they have a very large sanctuary area to spend there entire lives on. There is a nice herd relatively close to me that fortunately is now well established and can withstand culling, it lives on a large nature reserve but as soon as a big stag steps off it they are queuing up to shoot it. I say stags as they never bother with the hinds, plenty of them, but its the hatracks they want, and are prepared to pay big money for. I was down in the New Forest a couple of years ago and the stalker told me of all the Reds they had in the forest there were only two mature big lads left, all the others had been shot by trophy hunters. There was at that time an agreement among the various landowners and stalkers to leave them be but all it takes is the animal to step off the 'safe' land and one bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbust Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 No one owns the deer, and if he has permission to shot it I fail to see the problem, he has broken no laws. He may have been asked to take it by the land owner who knows? As for the great stalk of reds, a nice romantic idea! Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBill Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Reds are indigenous the the UK (that includes Essex). Humans have taken away their habitat and pocketed them in smaller areas. However, there are more deer in in the UK; especially England, than there have been for a couple of centuries. I used to live in Colchester 20 years ago and can tell you for a fact that seeing Red deer just north of there was not uncommon. Deer will and do migrate but find it difficult when there is insufficient cover to do so over open ground or over built up areas! That Red was taken lawfully. The fact that you see a "king" pigeon that was magnificent wouldn't stop you from shooting it I would suggest, or a rabbit, a hare, a fox or other lawful quarry. Deer cause more damage to crops than foxes do each year, yet the majority of us don't think twice about dispatching foxes and then remarking how large/magnificent the beast was and publishing photos of the kill. I would hope for more balanced and open minded views from fellow shooters. Edited January 11, 2012 by OldBill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Given the Reds in Suffolk there must be a good reason why the haven't drifted south in any number. Anyone know why? Habitat and range . They need lots of mixed woodland . There are plenty in Norfolk and they like to wander in the pine forests and feed out on the arable . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Reds are indigenous the the UK (that includes Essex). Humans have taken away their habitat and pocketed them in smaller areas. However, there are more deer in in the UK; especially England, than there have been for a couple of centuries. I used to live in Colchester 20 years ago and can tell you for a fact that seeing Red deer just north of there was not uncommon. Deer will and do migrate but find it difficult when there is insufficient cover to do so over open ground or over built up areas! That Red was taken lawfully. The fact that you see a "king" pigeon that was magnificent wouldn't stop you from shooting it I would suggest, or a rabbit, a hare, a fox or other lawful quarry. Deer cause more damage to crops than foxes do each year, yet the majority of us don't think twice about dispatching foxes and then remarking how large/magnificent the beast was and publishing photos of the kill. I would hope for more balanced and open minded views from fellow shooters. Edited January 11, 2012 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) It seems a bit unusual that a shooter feels outraged about something getting shot. That is unless he's strictly a paper puncher - in which case I kind of understand it - but can't get my head around someone who ONLY uses a gun to punch paper. Not being into deer, would it be right to say that if it was such a magnificent beast it may be past it's prime and going downhill healthwise, and more prone to disease? Edited January 11, 2012 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 (edited) Reds are indigenous the the UK (that includes Essex). Humans have taken away their habitat and pocketed them in smaller areas. However, there are more deer in in the UK; especially England, than there have been for a couple of centuries. I used to live in Colchester 20 years ago and can tell you for a fact that seeing Red deer just north of there was not uncommon. Deer will and do migrate but find it difficult when there is insufficient cover to do so over open ground or over built up areas! That Red was taken lawfully. The fact that you see a "king" pigeon that was magnificent wouldn't stop you from shooting it I would suggest, or a rabbit, a hare, a fox or other lawful quarry. Deer cause more damage to crops than foxes do each year, yet the majority of us don't think twice about dispatching foxes and then remarking how large/magnificent the beast was and publishing photos of the kill. I would hope for more balanced and open minded views from fellow shooters. Nah, it show that some on here have what would would be called ethics, In my mind an anology be would be having a pair of blackgrouse appear on a hill farm, the nearest other blackgrouse are twenty miles away. Joe bloggs sees them, his mates see them, they all think how nice, hope they breed. Now Fred Bloggs also sees them, knows that they are the nearest of their kind for a considerable distance but thinks I want one and goes and shoots the cock bird. Not illegal at all, but it does not stop Fred Bloggs from being a complete pricket for doing so. Edited January 11, 2012 by scolopax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonT Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 If he is a trophy hunter, he most likely is from a different area and wont know what deer are about..That would be down to his guide, so unless all the facts are known you cant blame the shooter, he is just doing a sport he and many others enjoy. If I could afford it and was on a shoot and the guide said I could take it, I would..He is the one who should be managing and know the land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouch valley Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 I live within ten mins of were this stag was shot. It's a bloody shame this **** decided to shoot this semi tame deer that had escaped a few years ago. There was four roaming about for some time and most of the land owners around liked to see them. I personaly no three land owners who are very keen stalkers them sellfs that had them on there ground and had left them in hope they would breed with the handful of hinds that are about. Bit with people like this mr Jarvis this just won't happen as all they see is a big head and pound sighns. I have walked up to these deer within thirty feet when they were standing in a road one day what a superb stalker mr Jarvis must be what an impressive feet to shoot a semi tame deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRYAN3 Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Simon. Just so you know, the shooter is local to the area and well knows the rarity and value of these animals. As to his being guided, well he was MISGUIDED. You can't have your cake and eat it. Bryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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