CZ550Kevlar Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) Purchased my Hatsan 12-01-09 used it this morning, came home to clean it and thought what the hell is that sticking out, a piece or pieces of lead shot have been forced between the barrel and the choke. Annoyed isn`t the word i`m looking for but all the swear filter will allow, oombine that with their melting piece of rubbish SM11 and it`s safe to say i`m never buying their stuff again. EDIT:- at the moment all i want to do is take it back out, wrap det-cord round it and press the button!!!! Edited March 15, 2012 by CZ550Kevlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deershooter Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Sorry its not Edgars problem its yours, you have been shooting with a loose choke you should alyays check before shooting Deershooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted March 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Sorry its not Edgars problem its yours, you have been shooting with a loose choke you should alyays check before shooting Deershooter i always ALWAYS tighten the choke before i use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrapFiller Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 was it a private sale or trade??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 It does sound like a loose choke, ask a gunsmith for a report on what he thinks has caused the problem, if nothing else but for your own piece of mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 You can't say Harnser didn't warn you. Best option is try and get them to sort it if not scrap it. No point buying a new barrel it won't be cost effective on a gun you'll probably want to sell. Then go looking for a decent second hand one of a slightly better variety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 The market for parts is quite strong so you either need a second barrell or just have the choke cut off and have a tru cylinder gun? Or get 1/2 choke welded in? and stick a hushpower mod on it? Turn that frown upside down! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beretta Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) not the first time they have had problems with chokes, ive seen a young lad blow his clean out and his was tight in. bad tolerances i bet. Edited March 15, 2012 by beretta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0145wirbelwind Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 i always ALWAYS tighten the choke before i use it. The choke in my 391 always comes loose. You put it in when the gun is cold ,shoot a cupple of shots the barrel get hot . The barrel expands the choke comes loose . I have to check it all the time when i am out shooting, it's a right pain in the bumm but i do love shooting the gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted March 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 After spending what seems eternity calling people I finally got Edgars armory number and was told not to get fobbed off by the main people, left a message and the armory chap was way more helpful than the other person. He checked my warranty and said just take the barrel into the RFD then Edgars will either repair the barrel or replace the whole thing if the barrel has deformed and supply a new choke. So good news and det cord packed away, why can't you deal with the armory in the first place? They are so much more efficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleyblaster Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 There aint nowt wrong with them escorts, ive had mine for about three years now and not once have i had a problem with it. Just keep them clean and maintained and DONT feed them on short cartridges! As with the chokes i did find over a period of a few shots mine had a tendancy on coming loose enough, so i tracked down some extended chokes so that i could easily whip them up tight again with the need of carrying a key out into the field . . . so far no further issues apart from an empty wallet due to the amount of cartridges i keep putting through it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 (edited) The Hatsan I bought was a bit before that, but very possibly the same, who knows how long the RFD/whoever had it for. Chokes can come lose for sure on any shotgun, but the problem with the Hatsan and the choke back then was Quality control...the chokes didn't fit. Once fitted to the barrel they had a "batch" of chokes that did not fit flush with the internal barrel wall, they were too big, the result was a shoulder protruding all round the choke/barrel joint, do I need to explain what happens over time, it took about half a box of carts before the end of my barrel blew up! My choke was tight, there was absolutely no argument or suggestion of a lose choke from the RFD or Edgar Bros when they saw it, it was obvious for anyone to see looking at what was left of the end of my barrels/chokes, even though much of it was in another county! NOBODY had spotted this problem before, including Edgar Bros, neither did I until they sent a new barrel and I put my finger down, you could physically feel the protrusion. It went straight back and they then supplied a whole new shotgun, that didn't last long with various other problems and went back too, a full refund was had, and as I think most of you know I was more than happy to see the back of the Hatsan! Edited March 15, 2012 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrcbr Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 The choke in my 391 always comes loose. You put it in when the gun is cold ,shoot a cupple of shots the barrel get hot . The barrel expands the choke comes loose . I have to check it all the time when i am out shooting, it's a right pain in the bumm but i do love shooting the gun That happens to me aswell on my 391 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Every multi choke gun Iv owned, the chokes will work loose. I now use a bit of tetrea gun grease ( http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=tetra%20grease%20for%20gun&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tetraproducts.com%2Fproduct_view.asp%3FID%3D1&ei=TjBiT5jHDqaa1AWu5YmfCA&usg=AFQjCNEQL9AjdWVpOhKiPch4k2TDte4V6A ) on the threads and this stops them working loose so easily. It also stops any crud getting between the choke and barrel which could contribute to a choke getting stuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 It does sound like the choke was probably loose, but at least you're getting sorted out now - though you shouldn't have had to mess around contacting the armoury, it shouldn't be necessary! I used to find my Hatsan choke was always coming loose, I was checking it after every stand at a clay shoot, now I tighten it up very tight and have no bother with it whatsoever - I was about to give up and use thread locking stuff on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 As has already been pointed out, Hatsan have had QC issues with their chokes so it may well have NOT been a loose choke, keep your hat on mate, you're heading for a heart attack! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan-250 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I've heard of this happening on the first style escort, but I always seem to hear Edgar brothers are very good at repair/replacing. So it didn't put me off, I love mine and it fits a treat with the stock played around with the spacers. Only thing I find is I tighten the choke up then the more I use it, it gets tighter. I often struggle to get it undone. And that's no **** in the thread either. I've now made a beter key that has a bit more lever to undo it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeny792 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I bought an escort at the Newark show and exactly the same thing has happened to mine. The choked was fitted correctly but after about 25 shots I noticed that the choke had split and the barrel had bulged slightly, you can see where 2 pieces of shot have gone between barrel and choke ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Obviously the choke was loose, but how often do you need to tighten a choke ? If I had a gun and had to check the chokes after just 6 shots I'd bin it or weld the chokes in. Fair play to Edgars though, they agreed to repair or replace it even though it's out of warranty and has had god knows how many rounds through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CZ550Kevlar Posted March 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Obviously the choke was loose, but how often do you need to tighten a choke ? If I had a gun and had to check the chokes after just 6 shots I'd bin it or weld the chokes in. Fair play to Edgars though, they agreed to repair or replace it even though it's out of warranty and has had god knows how many rounds through it. it hasn`t had that many through it. although i still have the original O ring in it so i must know something about gun maintenance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Watched a bloke at Newark shoot his new hats on the clay line.did nt know they were a single shot.gun would nt cycle at all.can't. See how a gun in this price range doesn't have issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 Does anyone know how the proof house deals with chokes? Wonder if any fail on this? and how tight the proof house do the chokes up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I always shoot with loose chokes on my 682, because I only hand tighten them, and they work loose quickly. However, nothing gets behind them. This is because the gun is made properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdSolomons Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I've heard hatsans are really good, has anyone ever had any problems with theirs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asher Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 From what I've seen of hatstands, the way the choke is set up is part of the problem. Most chokes are threaded at the base. The hatsan ones seem to be threaded at the top, this strikes me as a bad plan all round, since it makes it easier for gas, shot and other **** to get under the unthreaded end, increasing the chance of the choke going belly up. Couple this with poor tolerances and you get problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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