HDAV Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Right, picked up a potential permission today, client of mine has some sheep in a field next to their house (semi pet flock) they also have some fowl (chickens, turkeys, geese). Now this where it gets tricky.... they have a nearby neighbour with some big dogs these dogs (over a period of time) have had 8 lambs this year! They rang the police who said "don't you know someone with a shotgun who can just shoot them" :blink: SO next time it happens they said they will ring me So general consensus? They know where the dogs come from and have dogs of their own but the ones from over "there" seems to have a taste for lamb..... HELP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bi9johnny Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 i just would not get involved sounds like they are after someone else to do their dirty work ....only my opinion mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Right, picked up a potential permission today, client of mine has some sheep in a field next to their house (semi pet flock) they also have some fowl (chickens, turkeys, geese). Now this where it gets tricky.... they have a nearby neighbour with some big dogs these dogs (over a period of time) have had 8 lambs this year! They rang the police who said "don't you know someone with a shotgun who can just shoot them" :blink: SO next time it happens they said they will ring me So general consensus? They know where the dogs come from and have dogs of their own but the ones from over "there" seems to have a taste for lamb..... HELP! simple answer shoot them your well within your rights,but first tell the owners if they escape and bother the sheep they will be shot and they will be billed for any sheep they have kiled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Whatever action you take it may be best to get both sides of the story. I was walking my collie once on a fixed length lead through some fields, when the farmers wife (or a crazy imposter who just made off with a tractor) threatened to shoot my dog. Her reason being that she had seen it chase around sheep off the lead before - a claim which i know is completely untrue. I hate to think of someones beloved pet being killed because of mis-information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee. Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 If it was me, I would stay well clear of that situation boyo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Two things spring to mind for me , firstly if they say the dogs have had 8 lambs and they know where they come from ,why have they not started legal proceedings against the owners . Second why the hell would you want to shoot the dogs , they are not your sheep after all and its hardly something you do just for the fun of it !. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davva Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 If it was me, I would stay well clear of that situation boyo. I agree - Can of worms that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Two things spring to mind for me , firstly if they say the dogs have had 8 lambs and they know where they come from ,why have they not started legal proceedings against the owners . That I dont know, knowing them i would think they have but market value isnt great considering they hand reared half of them (pet flock). ANyone suggest a good link for information on how to go about this? Second why the hell would you want to shoot the dogs , they are not your sheep after all and its hardly something you do just for the fun of it !. I dont want to, they asked me if i would... As that is what the police advised them to do (get a shotgun owner to shoot them....) I don't want to do it but they don't know anyone else and don't have a gun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Er.......no - Swerve like a swerving swerver!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foosa Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Having to shoot someone's dog is not a good experience, even if they are lamb killers, the situation can be avoided 9 times out of 10 by simply being responsible dog owners who are in control of their animals. Not sure what dogs they are but to ensure a clean kill on all but the smallest you have to be pretty close to them with a shotgun and use large shot and tight chokes, not very pleasant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beretta28g Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Unless you have it in writing from the police steer well clear, and even if you had it be very carefull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) I'm not planning on shooting the dogs I live too far away so even if I was sat waiting for the phone to ring by the time I got there it would be game over for the sheep! I think they said they were ridge backs... But I was asked! They have done what they can but unless they tackle the dogs bare handed what can be done? EDIT: if it was a fox....... Edited March 20, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy198712 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 there better off paying someone to stand in the field and confront the 50kg ridge backs...... that way when their bitten it'll be delt with by the police .....jokin! tough situation, surely the owner can get a SGC easily enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildfowler.250 Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 I would want minimum: Writing from the police with some kind of authorization/acknowledgement of the dogs doing damage. Pictures/evidence of the damage. Next time it happens get a photo ect. Primarily warn the owners and also put a sign up. I think you would be well covered but then you knever know what the owners will do if/when they find out their dog has been shot by you. Do you legally have to tell them you shot it or can you keep quiet? Well dodged id say. Is it a permission or is this the only shooting you are getting from it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 I would rather walk away, couldn't be bothered with the fall out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfolio Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 That could turn out to be a real can of worms. Even if everything is legal and above board, the owners won't be happy and I'd not be surpised to see the local papers get involved. On a slow news day, you'd maybe make it into the nationals too. If you're convinced that this really is a last resort situation and you're prepatred to go ahead then: The Dogs Protection of Livestock Act 1953 makes it an offence for an owner to allow their dog to worry sheep. The Animals Act 1971 can provide a defence to farmers and landowners who shoot and kill a dog which is or is about to worry their livestock, but the incident must be reported to police within 48 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) I would want minimum: Writing from the police with some kind of authorization/acknowledgement of the dogs doing damage. Pictures/evidence of the damage. Next time it happens get a photo ect. Primarily warn the owners and also put a sign up. My thinking too I think you would be well covered but then you knever know what the owners will do if/when they find out their dog has been shot by you. Do you legally have to tell them you shot it or can you keep quiet? YOu must inform police within 24 hours I think but i dont know if the land owner or the stock owner are the ones legally allowed to deystroy a dog or anyone on instruction (which is what i was led to believe they were told) Well dodged id say. Is it a permission or is this the only shooting you are getting from it It was to specifically sort the dog issue but i dare say as they own land all over the area i could get something off the back of it... That could turn out to be a real can of worms. Even if everything is legal and above board, the owners won't be happy and I'd not be surpised to see the local papers get involved. On a slow news day, you'd maybe make it into the nationals too. If you're convinced that this really is a last resort situation and you're prepatred to go ahead then: The Dogs Protection of Livestock Act 1953 makes it an offence for an owner to allow their dog to worry sheep. The Animals Act 1971 can provide a defence to farmers and landowners who shoot and kill a dog which is or is about to worry their livestock, but the incident must be reported to police within 48 hours. Thanks I'll look them up and forward them on. Anyone know of the route you take for civil recourse? Edited March 21, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickP Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Sounds very dodgy ground to me, even with my limited knowledge If a farmer can do this, on his farm, can joe public on their field? what does the law say the land needs to be a farm or a field? interesting discussion though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Marty Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Stay well clear mate not worth the trouble, no matter how good the shooting :yes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super sharp shooter Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Not so sure I could shoot a dog to gain permission :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted March 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) Not so sure I could shoot a dog to gain permission :( Neither am I, I have known the couple for 3-4 years they are a nice couple, having issues and it was suggested by the police when they reported it. I was asked (half seriously, half not so) so i avoided a direct answer by suggesting they get SGC and a gun... Edited March 21, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie-fox Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 stay well clear... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Do not get involved . If it was my property and my sheep the dogs would be shot the next time they walked on the meadow . I have shot Ferrel dogs in the past ,but at the request of a local parish council . Harnser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 IF and it's a big if, you want to get involved I'd suggest that a visit to the dog owners to tell them that you have been authorised to shoot their dogs and will do so if they are found worrying the sheep again should suffice. Personally I'd steer well clear and advise the 'farmers' to put up bigger/more secure fencing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonwolf444 Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 call the dog warden no? ha, But i dont think ive got it in me to shoot a pet dog, it might be a different story if it were my land and my sheep but to be honest leave well alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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